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Subject: The Change is Beginning Christianity vs Islam
RaptorZ    2/23/2006 3:28:18 PM
I have harped on this subject for several posts being called everything from basically an idiot to an outright racist. Moderate Muslims must speak out and take control before something worse happens. When the Vatican becomes more vocal for protection of Christianity and such, those who value Islam best pay attention. I am not Catholic but know, from history, if the church gets involved at these high levels things are not going to turn for the better unless some middle ground can be found. Believe it or not Christians can be just as fanatical as the radical muslims. Let's not go down that path. ----------------------------------------------- Vatican to Muslims: practice what you preach Email this Story Feb 23, 12:54 PM (ET) By Tom Heneghan, Religion Editor PARIS (Reuters) - After backing calls by Muslims for respect for their religion in the Mohammad cartoons row, the Vatican is now urging Islamic countries to reciprocate by showing more tolerance toward their Christian minorities. Roman Catholic leaders at first said Muslims were right to be outraged when Western newspapers reprinted Danish caricatures of the Prophet, including one with a bomb in his turban. Most Muslims consider any images of Mohammad to be blasphemous. After criticizing both the cartoons and the violent protests in Muslim countries that followed, the Vatican this week linked the issue to its long-standing concern that the rights of other faiths are limited, sometimes severely, in Muslim countries. Vatican prelates have been concerned by recent killings of two Catholic priests in Turkey and Nigeria. Turkish media linked the death there to the cartoons row. At least 146 Christians and Muslims have died in five days of religious riots in Nigeria. "If we tell our people they have no right to offend, we have to tell the others they have no right to destroy us," Cardinal Angelo Sodano, the Vatican's Secretary of State (prime minister), told journalists in Rome. "We must always stress our demand for reciprocity in political contacts with authorities in Islamic countries and, even more, in cultural contacts," Foreign Minister Archbishop Giovanni Lajolo told the daily Corriere della Sera. Reciprocity -- allowing Christian minorities the same rights as Muslims generally have in Western countries, such as building houses of worship or practicing religion freely -- is at the heart of Vatican diplomacy toward Muslim states. Vatican diplomats argue that limits on Christians in some Islamic countries are far harsher than restrictions in the West that Muslims decry, such as France's ban on headscarves in state schools. Saudi Arabia bans all public expression of any non-Muslim religion and sometimes arrests Christians even for worshipping privately. Pakistan allows churches to operate but its Islamic laws effectively deprive Christians of many rights. Both countries are often criticized at the United Nations Human Rights Commission for violating religious freedoms. "ENOUGH TURNING THE OTHER CHEEK" Pope Benedict signaled his concern on Monday when he told the new Moroccan ambassador to the Vatican that peace can only be assured by "respect for the religious convictions and practices of others, in a reciprocal way in all societies." He mentioned no countries by name. Morocco is tolerant of other religions, but like all Muslim countries frowns on conversion from Islam to another faith. Iraqi Christians say they were well treated under Saddam Hussein's secular policies, but believers have been killed, churches burned and women forced to wear Muslim garb since Islamic groups gained sway after the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. Christians make up only a tiny fraction of the population in most Muslim countries. War and political pressure in recent decades have forced many to emigrate from Middle Eastern communities dating back to just after the time of Jesus. As often happens at the Vatican, lower-level officials have been more outspoken than the Pope and his main aides. "Enough now with this turning the other cheek! It's our duty to protect ourselves," Monsignor Velasio De Paolis, secretary of the Vatican's supreme court, thundered in the daily La Stampa. Jesus told his followers to "turn the other cheek" when struck. "The West has had relations with the Arab countries for half a century, mostly for oil, and has not been able to get the slightest concession on human rights," he said. Bishop Rino Fisichella, head of one of the Roman universities that train young priests from around the world, told Corriere della Sera the Vatican should speak out more. "Let's drop this diplomatic silence," said the rector of the Pontifical Lateran University. "We should put pressure on international organizations to make the societies and states in majority Muslim countries face up to their responsibilities."
 
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kane    RE:USSMC   3/4/2006 8:40:01 AM
"That's right kane. Damn those ugly, smelly, hairy, wogs. Even turkish girls has hair on their chest. They make me sick. Those girls are either guys dress as girls, or their transexual. And why do they wear those head scarf or whatever you call it. Do they have nits? Do their hair stinks? It's really is an eye sore and a discrace to see it in the western world. Anyway I believe they should be strip off of their citzenship. They are rude and have no respect. This also includes all those middle eastern arab kebabs. cheers..." We have beatifull women.I don't know if the ones in your country or not but we have very beatifull women(every color including blond) especially aegean girls are very beatifull and they don't stink. our women are like europeans(the modern ones)-every kind of girl
 
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mustavaris    RE:USSMC   3/4/2006 8:49:44 AM
I only know three Turkish gals and they all look great...
 
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kane    RE:trustedsource   3/4/2006 8:51:31 AM
Turks did not protest bombings,i don't know if they were happy because of it or not.There are anti-americans in Turkey not anti-christians And believe many of i know were very sad becasue of deaths. There were many bombings in Turkey(by PKK and AL qu..) They may have protested i don't know if they did "And to make it easy for you'll I'll ignire the fact that the suicide bombers were Turkish people and not explicitly Al Qaeda members.." if they chose to become terrorsit there is nothing i can do there are religious people in Turkey.there are religious christians too(Amish in USA for ex) You can not call any Turk fukkin bastard,you have no right to say that so stop. Turkey met with terror before many oyhers did ok?? Terror's only aim is not to destroy all other religions Turkey do not want to change the world's religion.We are living in peace(excapt in southeast) and,enough of this did i said anything to your religion? what will you do if Hindus create a new terrorist group and i don't believe in god(cause science proves everything....) it jsut writes in my passport.If there would be a war no one would fight for Allah but for Turkey
 
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:trustedsource   3/5/2006 4:57:42 PM
""Turks did not protest bombings,i don't know if they were happy because of it or not.There are anti-americans in Turkey not anti-christians And believe many of i know were very sad becasue of deaths."" -->Listen Dude-you're wasting my time NOW... I told u that all this big talk without any proof is going to sound meaningless and basically deserves its place in the recyclebin of your PC rather than this thread... I will continue to pound Islam and I will write more and more abt this crazed fanatic religion and abt the pedophile Prophet unless some of you'll prove me wrong otherwise... Abt 60K turks protested against the EU..I wanna know how many protested when suicide Turk bombers killed Jews intentionally and damaged their holy places of worship... If u cant provide me proof I suggest you admit it on this thread that Turks protest selectively and only when it concerns Islam.... And I suggest you Turks can shove up those secular credntials up your a$$ along with the Koran... ""what will you do if Hindus create a new terrorist group"" -->This is a question I should ask you...What will you'll do....then???
 
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kane    RE:trustedsource   3/5/2006 5:56:35 PM
terrorist is a terrorist it can be an indian,a turk,an american it can be anybody there are kurd terrorists fighting aganist us in east do we call all the kurds as terrorists-NO i won't write again to this discussion UNLESS i feel insulted and bored of sitting
 
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:trustedsource   3/5/2006 8:40:13 PM
Good Luck dude!I told u if u wish to do something constructive in life stay away from islamic values and beliefs as far as possible... The sad truth is that all muslims suppport terrorism directl or indirectly... and Turks are no different... when it comes to protesting against cartoons 100K turks ill come out to protest but if Jews are killed by Terrorist Turks the so called secular turks do NOT protest... This is diabolical and stinks of double standard.. You're all fukking terrorists...albeit in different ways.. For you'll u'v been fed an Islam-is-the-best diet since your toddler years,....your ability to rationalise and reason has gone to the pigs...
 
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USSMC    RE:kane   3/5/2006 10:07:00 PM
-We have beatifull women.- you're full of sh*t -our women are like europeans- Your women are not like europeans. your people are like from the middle east. You act like them. You behave like them. You all are bastards like them. Hell, Turkey should be towed back to Middle East.
 
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USSMC    RE:mustavaris   3/5/2006 10:08:38 PM
I think you don't have any d*ck control.
 
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kane    RE:kane   3/6/2006 8:21:10 AM
you idiot has no idea abt history Turks are not from middle east Turkish nation is at leat 4000 years old even the one whos created you(england) wasn't on earth there was no english ok? After many years of war we came to anatolia(many didn't come see kazakhistan,uzbekistan and other turkish nations) some settled in anatolia and mixed with the ethnics in anatolia including middle eastern arabs,kurds,armenians,greeks and many other ethnics. only arabian/kurd Turks are living in east of Turkey-and there are beatifull women in east too in west (especially in aegea) there are very betifull women there are ugly ones too like in every country you're living in australia right? yes i know australians are very beatifull(so sad for Kylie that she's cancer but it's not my kind of music)
 
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mustavaris    RE:mustavaris   3/6/2006 8:29:51 AM
I havent fĪ#Īd them. I donīt need to do that to see that they look beautiful. Generally speaking I donīt like the way southerners look, but Turkish people arenīt that different from.. letīs say Bulgarians, Greek, Albanians and so on. My aesthetic opinion is that Estonian and Croatian women look the best... Finns would be on the top, but we are fat like yankees [not so many obese people, but average over weight isnt probably much less].
 
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