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trustedsourceofinfo RE:Pars-here we go!! 2/22/2006 3:11:50 AM

Lets start with this verse... Chapter 16-AN Nahl... 016.035 YUSUFALI: The worshippers of false gods say: "If Allah had so willed, we should not have worshipped aught but Him - neither we nor our fathers,- nor should we have prescribed prohibitions other than His." So did those who went before them. But what is the mission of messengers but to preach the Clear Message? PICKTHAL: And the idolaters say: Had Allah willed, we had not worshipped aught beside Him, we and our fathers, nor had we forbidden aught without (command from) Him. Even so did those before them. Are the messengers charged with aught save plain conveyance (of the message)? SHAKIR: And they who give associates (to Allah) say: If Allah had pleased, we would not have served anything besides Allah, (neither) we nor our fathers, nor would we have prohibited anything without (order from) Him. Thus did those before them; is then aught incumbent upon the messengers except a plain delivery (of the message)? lets start with YusufAli-WHo exactly are the worshippers of false Gods...Of course the next obvious reference is that there is only one and only one God and that is Allah...The rest are "false" Gods!!

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trustedsourceofinfo Here's the clincher... 2/22/2006 3:17:51 AM

This was pretty darn easy and here's the Surah that'll clear your confusion... 022.017 YUSUFALI: Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians, Christians, Magians, and Polytheists,- Allah will judge between them on the Day of Judgment: for Allah is witness of all things. PICKTHAL: Lo! those who believe (this revelation), and those who are Jews, and the Sabaeans and the Christians and the Magians and the idolaters - Lo! Allah will decide between them on the Day of Resurrection. Lo! Allah is Witness over all things. SHAKIR: Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabeans and the Christians and the Magians and those who associate (others with Allah)-- surely Allah will decide between them on the day of resurrection; surely Allah is a witness over all things.

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trustedsourceofinfo RE:Here's the clincher... 2/22/2006 3:19:19 AM

Hopefully you can see the clear cut distinction or would u like me to explain it??

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trustedsourceofinfo RE:This unfortunately inspires terror.... 2/22/2006 3:24:32 AM

Why do people who leave their homes in THE CAUSE OF ALLAH WILL EITHER BE SLAIN OR DIE?????????? 022.058 YUSUFALI: Those who leave their homes in the cause of Allah, and are then slain or die,- On them will Allah bestow verily a goodly Provision: Truly Allah is He Who bestows the best provision. PICKTHAL: Those who fled their homes for the cause of Allah and then were slain or died, Allah verily will provide for them a good provision. Lo! Allah, He verily is Best of all who make provision. SHAKIR: And (as for) those who fly in Allah's way and are then slain or die, Allah will most certainly grant them a goodly sustenance, and most surely Allah is the best Giver of sustenance.

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Mex101 RE:This unfortunately inspires terror.... 2/22/2006 4:11:07 PM

>>>022.060 YUSUFALI: That (is so). And if one has retaliated to no greater extent than the injury he received, and is again set upon inordinately, Allah will help him: for Allah is One that blots out (sins) and forgives (again and again). PICKTHAL: That (is so). And whoso hath retaliated with the like of that which he was made to suffer and then hath (again) been wronged, Allah will succour him. Lo! Allah verily is Mild, Forgiving. SHAKIR: That (shall be so); and he who retaliates with the like of that with which he has been afflicted and he has been oppressed, Allah will most certainly aid him; most surely Allah is Pardoning, Forgiving.<<< This seems like Eye for an Eye. >>>022.058 YUSUFALI: Those who leave their homes in the cause of Allah, and are then slain or die,- On them will Allah bestow verily a goodly Provision: Truly Allah is He Who bestows the best provision. PICKTHAL: Those who fled their homes for the cause of Allah and then were slain or died, Allah verily will provide for them a good provision. Lo! Allah, He verily is Best of all who make provision. SHAKIR: And (as for) those who fly in Allah's way and are then slain or die, Allah will most certainly grant them a goodly sustenance, and most surely Allah is the best Giver of sustenance.<<< Does this mean like if You are cought Preaching about jesus and they find you Preaching they kill you like the "evil" romans did? It sounds like the perfect analogy. Though, I do admit that it is open for interpetation and this is sort of the "proof" that Osama may use to Brain Wash his evil goons. May I ask were the, 78 or 69 or whatever amount, of virgins are if they die in his name killing others? Side note, I thought this may be some "fresh air" Al-Baqara La Baca The Cow It has came to my attention that spanish has Latin and ARABIC background. I always knew that there was a Latin back groun, FYI.

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Pars RE:Pars-here we go!! 2/22/2006 4:28:56 PM

35. The worshippers of false gods say: "If Allah had so willed, we should not have worshipped aught but Him - neither we nor our fathers,- nor should we have prescribed prohibitions other than His." So did those who went before them. But what is the mission of apostles but to preach the Clear Message? 36. For We assuredly sent amongst every People an apostle, (with the Command), "Serve Allah, and eschew Evil": of the People were some whom Allah guided, and some on whom error became inevitably (established). So travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those who denied (the Truth). One mistake I have seen you made is you are quoting the part you are interested in. You must aþso give the ones who are closely related. By the way that is an excellent selection from you as you have selected one of the key parts of the Quran which refers to the subject we are discussing. In 16.36 It is said that The God had sent an apostle to every people in the world. This directly says that Allah's message is not just limited to the Quran. And also says that believers to the God is not limited by Muslims. In 15.35 it says that it is wrong to believe in false Gods as there is only one God. By the way I again repeat that Allah means the God and that is the same God Christians, Jews and possible other "one god" religions believed in.

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Pars RE:Here's the clincher... 2/22/2006 4:34:24 PM

17. Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians, Christians, Magians, and Polytheists,- Allah will judge between them on the Day of Judgment: for Allah is witness of all things. This sections literally means the God will judge everybody from every religion. This is a similar message that many other Monotheist religion had said. Take note that it does not say the God will reward followers of one religion and punish the others.

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Mex101 RE:Here's the clincher... 2/22/2006 4:42:50 PM

>>>This sections literally means the God will judge everybody from every religion. This is a similar message that many other Monotheist religion had said. Take note that it does not say the God will reward followers of one religion and punish the others.<<< I have not found anything in the BIble that relates to that verse of the Qur'an. Can you show me?

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Pars RE:This unfortunately inspires terror.... (From where did you read that nonsense) 2/22/2006 4:48:48 PM

You are missing the concept of this verse. The name of Surah 22 is "Pilgrimage". This surah is about pilgrimage. 22.58 simply says the ones who die on the road of pilgrimage will goto heaven. Sadly many still die during pilgrimage every year. Mostly because incompetence of Saudia Arabia officials. Sad to say, whatever is the source you are using is very misguided. In all 3 religions (Christianity, Judaism and Islam) there is the concept of pilgrimage. This verse simply says that the ones who died during pigrimage will goto heaven (and I guess there is a similarity in Christianity also).

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Mex101 RE:Islamic warriors and innocent civilians? 2/22/2006 7:45:22 PM

What ever the case, It has been shown that Civilians are killed not because of Islam but the insanety of the Mad Radicals that highjack Islam and kill in its name. The Qur'an is not always clear and is out of charactor when compared with the Torah and New testamebt of the Bible. It has more of a Naretive story telling voice, the Qur'an has a Preaching vocie that at times leaves too much into interpetation. That "freedom" of interpetation is why its easy to use as a cover for acts such as 9/11. The bombings In Iraq have to do more with the remnent of the old regime that wishes to return to power by starting a Revolution in Iraq. Its a crazy move but those are some mad men. so in the end it has little to do with Islam.

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