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Subject: Scientific Indications in the Holy Qur'an, Part-II
Achernar    5/15/2004 7:19:30 AM
PHYSICS Scientific terms: RELATIVITY OF TIME "They ask you to hasten the punishment. God will not break His promise. A day with your Lord is equivalent to a thousand years in the way you count."[Sura-22: Aya-47] "He directs the whole affair from heaven to earth. Then it will again ascend to Him on a Day whose length is a thousand years by the way you measure." [Sura-32: Aya-5] NOTE: These verses are clearly indicating the relativity of time. Before Einsteinâ??s theory of relativity people did not know that time was a relative concept, and that it could change according to the environment. Scientific terms: GRAVITATION AND MOTION OF THE HEAVENLY BODIES "(Allah) created the heavens without any pillars that you can see..." [Sura-31: Aya-10] "Allah is the One Who raised the heavens without any pillars that you can see, then He firmly established Himself on the throne and He subjected the sun and moon . . ." [Sura-13: Aya-2] â??He has created the heavens and the earth with truth. He makes the night to go in the day and makes the day to go in the night. And He has subjected the sun and the moon. Each running (on a fixed course) for an appointed term. Verily, He is the All-Mighty, the Oft-Forgivingâ? [Sura-39: Aya-5] "God is the One Who made the sun a shining glory and the moon a light and for her ordained mansions, so that you might know the number of years and the reckoning (of the time). God created this in truth. He explains the signs in detail for people who know." [Sura-10: Aya-5] NOTE: First two verses describe about gravitation and next two motions of the heavenly bodies.
 
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American Kafir    RE:Now we are coming to where you are indeed a fanatic - AK   5/17/2004 3:05:47 PM
>>You understand me wrongly. I definetely do not want someone so paranoid as friend. And I am not acting friendly.<< That's good that you are not acting friendly. As a Muslim you are not supposed to be my friend. I'm sorry it has to be this way, but perhaps your backward religious leaders should have invested the time and effort in preparing for jihad with more brave warriors and better weapons before declaring war on the United States of America. It's too late for that now. Muslims believe persecution is worse than death. With that in mind, and in relation to Islamic culture, advocating the extermination of all Muslims is a measure of respect. It would be far worse to just merely persecute them. Hmm. I can't even respect Muslim ideology without sounding insulting.
 
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FJV    RE:AK in pitbull mode   5/17/2004 3:25:41 PM
Sounds a lot like you are choosing the second of the options and choose to interpret, rather than say the Koran should be literal. (The moon refects, but that actually should be interpreted as shines). Also when you say: "AK misinterprets Al-Qurâ??an verses. Al-Qurâ??an never said sun round the earth." Aren't you sort of admitting that there are different intepretations of the Koran? And with that multiple ways of looking at and thinking about the same passage?
 
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ilpars    RE:Now we are coming to where you are indeed a fanatic - AK   5/17/2004 3:44:21 PM
You again understand me wrongly. I have many friends in USA. Some of them are American soldiers. Every year I went to USA for 2 weeks and we met and play Wargames. Other times we ckeep contact by e-mail. You are one of the few I do not like to meet and be friends.
 
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SGTObvious    Wrong again, Achernar   5/17/2004 8:35:49 PM
Both objects in an orbit system orbit around their common center of mass. The moon orbits the Earth-Moon center of mass. So does the Earth. Newton demonstrated this, and Einstein went further. I suppose, one being a Christian, and the other a Jew, you don't beleive them, but the math is solid. That's why the US can get space probes to Saturn. link
 
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SGTObvious    And Wrong Again.    5/17/2004 8:39:14 PM
"And He has subjected the sun and the moon. Each running (on a fixed course)" Nope. Multi-body orbital dynamics are chaotic over the long term.
 
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SGTObvious    So, if the Quran is filled with scientific wisdom...   5/17/2004 8:58:20 PM
Why is it the Madrassas, where it is studied constantly, contribute SQUAT to scientific knowledge? Do you really think we're going to believe that a workable fusion reactor, a cure for cancer, or a high temperature super-conductor will come out of Saudi Arabia? You know, there weren't a lot of Saudi entrants at the DARPA robot challenge. You'd think with all that Quaran wisdom, designing an autonomous robot vehicle would be easy? Yeah, right. Pigs will fly out from the anal sphincters of Wahhabi imams, first. You want to know where Saudi Arabia is with science? Google for "Saudi Scientific" and you get 46 Hits "Chinese Scientific" gives you 3510 returns. "German Scientific" returns 11,000 "American Scientific" - 59,600 And for you, Ilpars, "Turkish Scientific" returns 2,210 hits. Certainly respectable, more than "Swedish Scientific" with 1,550. OR even "Dutch Scientific", score 2020." Heck, "Tunisian Scientific" hits 684. So we have the Googlism: The more radically islamic a nation is, the lower its association with Scientific progress! Oh, Yeah, I thought maybe I wasn't being fair, and I tried "Saudi Arabian Scientific": 2 Hits.
 
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saul    RE:Insulting religions, - AK   5/17/2004 8:59:02 PM
"The verses claim that the sun orbits in a fixed course." The Sun is one of some 300 billion stars that travel around the Milky Way in a near circular orbit. It is estimated that this orbit takes 225 million years. While I am sure that our scientific theories on the sun's orbit may change over time, it is clear that the sun does indeed possess an orbit. You sound intellectual, A.K., but you might just be stupid.
 
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SGTObvious    Umm, Saul?   5/17/2004 9:03:26 PM
Just to play devil's advocate for a moment here as I don't ascribe to this Holy Land stuff, but how does "Here is where you should live" logically lead to "and you will never die"?
 
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saul    SGTO   5/17/2004 9:06:29 PM
sorry, i assumed you considered life and death to be mutually exclusive human states, though i concede that one follows the other if you're a hindu.
 
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SGTObvious    The Sun's Orbit.   5/17/2004 9:15:59 PM
Yes, it has one. But not fixed, as Achernar claims, due to graviational perturbations. It is slightly elliptical as a result. How do stars get "perturbed"? Gravity. It's one of the tools Astronomers use to find stars around planets, BTW. In the course of a 225 million year orbit, the sun undergoes perturbations from many other stars, and the effects are chaotic, ie, mathematically irreduccible, ie, not fixed. I'm waiting for the Quran to reveal the source of Dark Matter.
 
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