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Subject: A Japanese View of Arab Culture
swhitebull    1/22/2004 4:17:30 PM
This is from MEMRI, and is an overview of Arab culture - positives and negatives - in comparison to the Japanese experience in the world: http://www.memri.org/bin/opener_latest.cgi?ID=SD64804 The Arabs From a Japanese Perspective In an article titled 'How the Arabs Appear to the Japanese,' the head of the Kuwaiti National Council for Culture, Art, and Literature, liberal columnist Muhammad Al-Rumayhi, reviewed the book 'The Arabs: A Japanese Point of View,' by Japanese researcher Nobuaki Notohara. The book, which was recently published in Arabic, included criticism of societal patterns, oppression, and the absence of self-criticism in the Arab world. In his review, Al-Rumayhi presents the book as required reading for anyone interested in reform in the Arab world. The following are excerpts from Al-Rumayhi's article:(1) What Enabled the Japanese to Enter the New Cultural Age? "Whenever some Arabs meet at a scientific convention and Japan is mentioned, the participants compare Japan's revival to the yearned-for Arab revival. They say that Japan succeeded in entering the new age while at the same time preserving its social culture. Apparently, this is the majority opinion among Arab observers. It appears that this is an apologetic view or justification aimed at saying, 'You can enter the age of modernization, globalization, and production without giving up your social heritage, the traditional political pattern, and the behavioral norms that are inappropriate for our time.' "'And if they are told that the Japanese entered the new age because they changed the political patterns and social behavior to which they were accustomed and because they adopted new ideas, some Arabs respond to this with amazement and denial...' "Now a Japanese man comes along who expresses, in excellent Arabic, the opposite of what certain Arabs think. This is what Nobuaki Notohara wrote in his book. As soon as I read the book, I thought it [worthy of being] a required book for every Arab statesman who believes that reform is still possible in our Arab region. "The testimony of Notohara - who dwelled among the Arabs for some 40 years and saw both Bedouin and urban culture, who speaks Arabic like an Arab and who followed Arab literary works and translated them into Japanese - is to the best of my knowledge the first Japanese testimony written about Arabs in their own language..." 'Oppression is the Only Thing That Does Not Need to Be Proven in Arab Countries' "The author points out the tension clearly apparent in the crowded Arab cities; [he] refers to the tension in the Arab street. He thinks that this tension stems from oppression. 'The people walk through the streets as if they were being followed, faces frozen and silent, and [there are] long queues. A person is harmed by oppression even in a taxi, as the driver chooses his passenger according to where he [i.e. the driver] wishes to go, and refuses to take someone he doesn't like.' The book concludes with a comment that 'the residents of the Arab cities are unhappy and dissatisfied. The people are silent and do not speak, but out of this suffocating silence we hear a cry!' "Notohara believes that the reason for this atmosphere lies in the absence of social justice, and adds that he has the right to say something to the Arabs after all these years of living among them: 'The absence of justice means the absence of the fundamental basis for human relations. Thus, people in the Arab countries say time and again that [in the Arab world] everything is possible because the laws that exist are not implemented and not honored.' "The law does not protect the people from oppression because it is violated, and Notohara cites many examples and adds: 'Oppression is the only thing that does not need to be proven in Arab countries.'" In the Arab World, 'The Ruler Rules For His Entire Life' "One of the phenomena of oppression that surprise modern Japanese is that 'the ruler rules for his entire life, while the Japanese prime minister's term lasts no more than a few years. In every [Arab] country there is a ban on some newspapers, and authors and publications are subject to censorship.' "A Japanese individual does not expect to see such phenomena. '... Anyone visiting Japan sees cars with loudspeakers in the streets [verbally] attacking the prime minister and the ruling party without anyone harassing them... But in the Arab countries the regime and the ruler are one. In most Arab countries, the only criteria for respecting a citizen and for the extent of his patriotism is the degree of his loyalty to the ruler. All these are alien to us Japanese of the modern age...' "The author is aware of the fact that Japan was in the past subject to oppression. But the Japanese freed themselves from it, and it became history. [The author] says: 'I think that oppression is an incurable disease in Arab society, and therefore any author or researcher who speaks of the
 
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Green Dragon    RE:A Japanese View of Arab Culture   1/27/2004 12:10:23 PM
Morning Swhitebull, I've been thinking about a similar matter, that occurred to me personally. I have a friend who is older than me, once upon a time we were physically intimate but we've both moved on since then. Since that time, she has adopted a very narrow form of Christianity as her value system. In a telephone conversation I had with her two days ago I confirmed what I had previously suspected, that I had lost a friend to her freely chosen adoption of a narrow and inflexible belief system. I was getting extremely frustrated when I spoke my honest feelings in relation to the subject of conversation. I believe it was to my credit that despite my mounting irritation as the conversation progressed that I did not 'arc up' and metaphorically bite her head off, as I probably would have done if she was not someone I considered a close and long time friend. Initially I thought she was doing it to bait me, when it suddenly become blindingly obvious that she couldn't understand or accept what I was saying and as I mentioned before, she had chosen for it to be this way. So basically the point of my story and the reason I am replying to you with it, is that the real problem with not just Arabic/Islamic society but also in the West as well, is for want of a better term 'intellectual defeatism'. It appears that for far too many people it's easier to have someone else do the thinking for them and just deal with the misery rather than thinking for themselves and then doing something to end their misery. The real 'eternal war' is not Western Culture vs Islamic Culture' but humanity versus it's own needlessly imposed self-limitations. That's the war I'm fighting anyway. Cheers GD
 
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capitalist72    RE:A Japanese View of Arab Culture   1/27/2004 12:49:59 PM
I can relate quite a bit to what you're saying, having had many discussions with friends who are "strongly religious." But there is a difference in your conclusion. In the West, most of the states are secular democracies, and therefore the freedom to follow whatever narrow-minded religious interpretation that you want to doesn't impinge on the rights of others, and is without state sanction. This is not the case in the Islamic world. A tangential issue: India has 125 million+ muslims as part of its population. The vast majority of them are good citizens, and patriotic, and respect the constitution on the country. India has been denied admission to the OIC, but I think that Muslims from countries such as India, and to a lesser extent from Europe/North America, need to play the leading role in reforming the global Islamic community.
 
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Green Dragon    RE:A Japanese View of Arab Culture   1/27/2004 2:34:21 PM
Absolutely right I quite agree with your point, these muslims you refer to having been exposed, 'tainted' if you will by Western secular culture are in the best position to reform Islam generally. As an aside I quite like Indians, except when they beat us at the cricket!
 
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Green Dragon    RE:A Japanese View of Arab Culture   1/27/2004 2:58:42 PM
I left out the joke. After realising I had lost my friend, I asked God why are christian zealots like this? The response I got was: 'don't ask me mate, I'm not a Christian.'
 
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celebrim    RE: I don't understand.   2/17/2004 3:25:29 PM
Let me try to understand this... you have an old girlfriend who no longer wants to be part of your life/have sex with you, and from that you are drawing broad conclusions about the nature of Western society? I'm afraid I'm rather confused. Has it occured to you that perhaps you are not the one being understanding in the relationship? Do you think she was frustrated by the fact that you couldn't accept her honest feelings? I'm glad that you consider yourself to be quite the gentlemen for not verbally assualting someone, but that is hardly a high standard of compassion and friendship. I've never thought of myself as someone who was afraid to think for themselves. The only thing that is blindingly obvious to me after reading your vaguely worded personal story, is that you have little or no respect for the person in question, do not respect her freely made choices, and that you cannot accept or understand what she is saying to you. I can make no conclusions about her, nor do I want to, because this public forum is hardly the place for airing personal grievances. Could you please explain to me what is meant by this statement: "The real 'eternal war' is not Western Culture vs Islamic Culture' but humanity versus it's own needlessly imposed self-limitations." You mean things like 'thou shalt not kill'? Do you believe that there are no valid limitations on human behavior, or would you like to explain to me what you mean by 'needless'? And in any event, I'm at somewhat of a loss to place this particular event in relation to the original post by Swhitebull on the differences in how Japan and Arabia have adopted to the modern world.
 
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jastayme3    RE: I don't understand.   5/1/2004 2:34:05 PM
Let me try to understand this... you have an old girlfriend who no longer wants to be part of your life/have sex with you, and from that you are drawing broad conclusions about the nature of Western society? I'm afraid I'm rather confused. .................................... Lay off a bit will you? A rebuke, however true, is not a cure for grief.
 
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ilpars    RE:A Japanese View of Arab Culture   5/2/2004 7:58:01 AM
I like Mr. Nobuaki Notohara's aproach to the Arab society. He clearly points out the main problem in Arab countries. They have no secular democracy background. All of them ruled by a version of dictatorship. Many people thinks that Arabs and Muslims are same. That is far from true. Turkic states area also have a dominant muslim population. But as they are secular democracies they are much closer to Western World than Arab world. Western World owe all of their morale superiority to secular democracy. The war is not between Western world and Islam World; it is between secular democrasies against dictators. That is why Turkish world although muslim is and will be on the side of Western world. War will be won when all dictorships will turn into secular democracies.
 
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Shirrush    RE:A Japanese View of Arab Culture   5/28/2004 5:43:40 PM
There's more to the Japanese perception of Arab society than political facts and social behavior. The very ecology of the respective groups make them differ more widely than meets the eye, and even the population dynamics are markedly dissimilar although a majority of both groups now dwell in hyperdense urban settings. Researchers such as Mr. Notohara should pay more attention to the tune numbers are playing in their comparative analysis of such distant groupings. Also, I feel that the area of neurosociology, being politically rather unkosher, is being overlooked, particurlarly when one comes to think about how a language affects a group's mental processes and weltanschauung. In the case of social sciences, and inasmuch as these deal with people, not rats, it is rather difficult to verify a hypothesis through experimentation, such as: put a lot of Arabs on a small, green island with sufficient water and a fair amount of volcanic topsoil, surrounded by a decently fertile, not-too-unfriendly ocean. Conversely, put a lot of Japanese in an endless desert with no water, and a thin fertile coastal strip bordered by an oceanic desert such as the Eastern Med. Shake well (in the case of the island in question, it will usually shake itself vigorously every now and then...), incubate both test populations for, uh, 150 years and then measure population size, distribution, income, the nature of the regimes, education, women's rights, the lot... Hey, just thoughts...
 
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ilpars    RE:A Japanese View of Arab Culture - swhitebull   5/29/2004 4:02:31 AM
Your suggestion reminded me the British Pitcairn experiment in the last century. As long as you can not isolate the experiment from outside world, this kind of experiments doomed to fail.
 
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