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Subject: The Reqirement For Christian-Muslim Peace
David_Blue2002@yahoo.com.au    10/28/2001 5:47:57 AM
Sure this is a strategy website, but philosophically, the end of war is peace, so let's consider the requirement of peace in an "eternal conflict". One could not want a better expert than Professor Seyyed Hossein Nasr to explain the Muslim viewpoint fairly, and lay down the real requirement of Christian-Muslim peace. Now at time when frustration threatens to move the debate from strategic necessity to real religious hostility, it is right to consider this "eternal war" in the light of history, and the mutual hopes for all peoples for peace on the terms they desire. As witnessed by the Pope's Year 2000 apology for Christianity's dark past (which included harsh words and negative attitudes about Islam), non-Muslims have a lot to be sorry for in this conflict. Also, Muslims now face the threat or at least the thought of persecution in Western societies, so we should consider their viewpoint attentively. What does Professor Seyyed Hossein Nasr identify as the barrier to a fair and free dialogue between Christians and Muslims? What should we do to eradicate this barrier? I invite comments from all. link Seyyed Hossein Nasr is a professor of Islamic Studies at George Washington University in Washington, D.C. He has authored some 40-plus books and over 500 articles. E: And my last question to you: I have learned from you that in the realm of "atmosphere," there is conflict, but reconciliation is possible in the "Divine Stratosphere." If this is so, then only a properly trained scholar in both traditions can engage in any meaningful dialogue. What should the ordinary Muslims in the community do, who have to co-exist with their Christian neighbors? SHN: The Qur'an asserts that the Muslims must have respect for the followers of other religions. As long as Muslims believe in Tawheed (oneness of God) and their book they should not have any problem getting along with the Ahl al-Kitab (People of the Book). This term should be understood in a larger context. This, in my opinion, includes, besides Jews and Christians, all the primordial and orthodox religious traditions, such as Confucianism and Hinduism. However, it is very important to know that at the practical level, things are not that simple for Islam and Christianity. One of these religions, Western Christianity, and on a smaller scale Judaism in Israel, is wed to a tremendous economic and military power structure. This was not a question in the Middle Ages, when two traditional civilizations based on God fought against each other's conception of God. Their armies were fairly even, and they respected each other in the battlefield. It is not like this today. The disparity in power prevents Muslims and Christians sitting together for a fair and free dialogue. Just take [some recent] examples: East Timor and Chechnya both were colonies. East Timor was colonized by the Portuguese some 500 years ago, and Chechnya fairly recently, about 150 to 200 years ago. In the case of East Timor, whose population of about half a million is Catholic, a big international campaign took place, which led to its independence. In the case of Chechnya, on the other hand, where a massive slaughter of Muslims took place, the very Western countries that so often speak about human rights, self-determination, and democracy sit idly by and watch the massacre. There is a strong push into the Muslim world that is based on money and the power of missionaries. There is a significant amount of money being spent in Indonesia and Pakistan in trying to convert people to Christianity. Muslims have no choice but to be awaken and have a sense of vigilance. To be friends is good, but Muslims must not let their guard down as far as religion is concerned.
 
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pakistani    RE:Eternal Christian/Western vs Islam war   2/8/2002 3:58:32 PM
I agree with pfd
 
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pfd    RE:Eternal Christian/Western vs Islam war   3/15/2002 11:05:30 AM
Thank you with warmest sentiments. Taht was very invigorating. I will continue to read and try to understand,
 
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jastay3    RE:The Reqirement For Christian-Muslim Peace   6/18/2002 11:41:57 PM
This depends on what one means by peace. A monotheist whether Christian or Islam connot accept the others faith. We are not Romans thinking the "more gods the merrier". To state an opinion is to state that a conterdiction is wrong. However we can be courteous and agree to dissagree. As a Christian(Fundamentalist "Fanatic" by the way) I cannot say Islam is also true. I can however try not to offend a Moslem I meet (I.E. not eat pork). In one sence we cannot have "peace". But we can avoid shooting at each other assuming both are willing-which may be a problem.
 
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Diana    RE:The Reqirement For Christian-Muslim Peace   8/6/2003 12:29:15 PM
What "peace"; across the globe Muslims have killed more Christians, Jews, and non-Muslims in the past one hundred years than in all of human recorded history. Any one that thinks the Islamofascist Totalitarians haven't declared war on us FIRST is out of touch with reality. The skimming of Zakat, many drug operations, dollars hidden by the system of halal, etc. are all funds that are used for death and destruction across the globe. As to Iraq, that war was both necessary AND more than jusifiable.
 
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Diana    RE:The Reqirement For Christian-Muslim Peace   8/6/2003 12:31:58 PM
The requirements for Christian=Muslim peace is to stop funding and supporting terrorists, stop teaching hatred of us and the right to kill us, stop infiltrating our country and our systems for the express purpose of converting or getting rid of us. Again, what "peace"? There is NO peace!
 
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Condor Legion    RE:The Reqirement For Christian-Muslim Peace   8/6/2003 8:33:35 PM
uh-huh. WHAT SHE SAID, CL
 
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swhitebull    RE:The Reqirement For Christian-Muslim Peace   8/6/2003 8:38:03 PM
For starters, how about exposing the so-called muslim religion for the fakery it is, and expose its origins in pederastery, murder, thievery etc swhitebull- it would be a good start.
 
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muslim    RE:The Reqirement For Christian-Muslim Peace   8/18/2003 10:09:50 PM
Hmmmm.... the requirement for Christian-Muslim Peace... Unlike what you might expect me to say, the responsibility does not lie on the christian, it lies on the backs of the muslims. We Muslims say that we have the truth, we say it loud and we say it proud, but once those words leave our mouths, they become nothing more than a memory; and it is because of that we allow such horrible leaders as Saddam to lead us, because we have somehow been drawn into this idea our leaders have the responsibility to teach us Islam. Let me bring you a perfect example how it is the absence from Islam that cause this "war" between christians and muslims: Very few remember Spain before the christian led spanish inquisition... It was there that people lived in this utopia we all dream of today... Christians, Jews, and Muslims living together, in a relativley small area in peace, and harmony. Why was this possible then, but not today? Another example was Palestine, a few hundred years earlier... In the same region as one of the hotest hot spots in the world, the same peoples who send their children to kill the others, the same people who now destroy entire neghiborhoods in retaliation to the death of 2 military men; Those same people lived together, traded with each other, married each other, and protected each in the same disputed territory... again, Why? was that possible then, but not now? Do you want to blame Islam? Go ahead, but before you do, let me say that Islam hasn't changed a bit... The Quran the people of that time read, is the same as the one we read today. so what has changed you ask? Muslims, not Islam, changed.. We have exiled Islam from our political system the same way the christians did, but it lead them to glory, and lead us to be the outcasts of the world, our own self distruction. Back then, it was the responsibility of the Muslims to protect the jews and christians that lived in their territory, and today... Well, just watch the news. so now, do you want to know the requirement for Jewish-Christian-Muslim Peace... Well it's a simple one: Muslims need to take responsibility for the knowledge thet carry. Before we scream and shout at America or Israel and hate the jews and christians for those two SECULARIST countries do, we should scream at our own leaders for what they are doing to our own people. In conclusion, I would like to say that if Muslims only forgot about America and Israel, and worried about bettering their own people, christians, Jews, and Muslims will all appreciate it. I'm not saying there won't be wars, I'm saying that once we muslims do that, we will no longer give Christians and jews excuses to hate us, and likewise, we will no longer blame jews and christians for the acts of America and israel... And that, is the key to peace amongst the thre.. now the hard part is trying to convince muslims of this... :-)
 
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SGTObvious    Muslim Spain   8/19/2003 7:10:29 AM
For some odd reason, the tales of perfect harmony in Islamic Spain were all written by... Muslims. How strange. Why do you suppose this is? Why did the Arabs invade Spain in the first place? Spain was ruled by a Visigothic king at the time, and had never attacked the middle east (indeed, the Visigoths probably could not have found the middle east if they tried.) Why was Cordova and the Library there destroyed by Arabs? Why were 48 Christians Decapitated there for teaching Christianity! (This is Islamic "Utopia": Peace and Prosperity for Muslims, Death to others) The simple reality: For Jews, Muslim Spain was better than The Spanish Inquisition. This is hardly Utopia, though. It is "better" in the way that being whipped is better than being beheaded. But the Church today is NOT the church of 1492, whereas Islam today is the Islam of the conquering hordes of 711. Utopia will be a place where Muslims consider themselves no better than others, with no greater wisdom, and no inherrent right to rule above other humans. When Muslims can say that, they will have grown worthy of being treated with respect.
 
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appleciderus    Reality   8/19/2003 7:35:16 AM
The reality is that islam must cleanse itself of it's basic tenents before there can have peace. Then it wouldn't be islam. This will never happen. Accordingly, islam must be defeated, perhaps destroyed, before there will be peace in the world. All other discussion is a waste of time.
 
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