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Subject: HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales
giblets    2/9/2004 5:06:30 AM
The two Uk aircraft carriers are alreay named, and that is about the only thing that is definite at the moment.
In terms of size, apparently the RN has decided that the ships are indeed going to be 280m, 65,000 toners, after previously looking at smaller 260m 55,000 toners. Apparently it was thought that to get a decent 55 tonne vessel, and keep the operational effectivness would require too much new technology and risk.
The new vessels are likely to cost £5billion for the pair, which, whilst far higher than the original MOD price of £3billion, is still FAR cheaper the the USN at £6.6billion for one carrier (CVN21).
It is still up in the air as to whether the French Navy will still seek to aquire a new ship based on the UK design, which could lower costs.
 
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glenponder    RE:Royals - dudley   6/27/2004 6:14:45 PM
the royal family cost every person in the UK 61pence a YEAR what a huge burden they are on the british public. aswell as them making a profit for the country it seems the be a good deal to me and besides i would rather have Queen Liz over president B-liar
 
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Ehran    RE:Royals   6/28/2004 11:29:02 PM
Im an american half english half french which makes the royals any of your business how exactly?
 
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trib    RE:Royals - dudley   7/1/2004 3:19:55 AM
this kind of BS about english royalty makes me sick. I'm french and proud of the revolution which bring down royalty in france, because the kind of monarchy we had was doomed. but the english constitutional monarchy is an enlighten one. the queen right now is doing her job quite well, and it's something english people can be proud of. You may think what you want about monarchy but don't say they're useless in england cause it's all wrong.
 
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giblets    Defence budget   7/5/2004 5:22:41 AM
According to the express, never the most accurate defence reporting paper, the RN are considering scrapping their new carrier and buying a 70's era USN carrier instead...
 
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Rule Britannia    RE:Defence budget   7/5/2004 10:12:54 AM
-You can forget that anyway. That's as likely as them buying a flying saucer from Mars.
 
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giblets    Defence Budget   7/12/2004 1:17:54 PM
Well, a real terms increase in the defence budget announced today, which was being overstretched should be welcome, and decrease speculation over the carriers.
 
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perfectgeneral    RE:Air Superiority - Lack of Naval Air   7/25/2004 5:40:55 PM
It renders the UK fleet inoperable without USN air cover. May as well surrender sovreignty in 2006 and hope that the US give it back in 2012. The whole purpose of an independent blue water fleet is to be able to project force in the interests of your country. If the UK spent 4% of GDP on defence, then this sort of issue would never arise. They would have four carriers with viable naval air cover at any time. Are the UK government hoping that they stay on good terms with the US and that they don't need to defend the Falklands (or other) for six years or more. I'm sure the rest of the world has no intention of taking advantage while this happens (not).
 
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