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Subject: AH-64s Join The Navy
SYSOP    4/24/2014 5:08:48 AM
 
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HR    I've always liked it   4/24/2014 10:32:20 AM
I do not see why not arm the ships with Apaches. Not just to use against land targets. Navy helicopters are very expensive and for anti-shipping they could use something that is cheaper than what they have now PLUS all army missiles employed as anti-tank weapons have potential use against fast boats and swarms and even against frigates.
 
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pzkwmkv    for HR   4/24/2014 11:32:56 AM
Living in a coastal area, the first thought that occurs to me is marinized vs non-marinized. The AH-1Zs operated by the USMC are, hopefully, equipped to operate in a marine environment. The AH-64s operated by the US Army are probably not equipped to operate in marine environment. The AH-64s were designed after all to combat the Soviet hordes in Western German. A better solution might be to buy more of the platform, AH-1Zs, thought were designed to operate in a marine environment to begin with.
 
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HR    pzk   4/24/2014 11:58:14 AM
You are absolutely correct... for any lengthy employment at sea the helicopter will have to me navalized just like all other aircrafts. Since my earlier post I have given this a little more thought and it seems to me that with all the tensions in the Pacific the Army is trying to usurp some of the Marine's missions.
 
That being said I still think the Navy needs to look at smaller and economical patrol/attack type helicopters at an affordable price and the Apache might still be too expensive and heavy for that.
 
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vahitkanig       4/24/2014 1:26:04 PM
I dont ; know  sea  planes  how  practical for  carrier battle  group detect,search  submarines.....
 
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HR    vahi   4/24/2014 3:12:37 PM
no, no... not for anti-sub work. The US Navy has these very heavy multi-role helicopters that can do most things including anti-sub work.
 
But if you arrive at littoral waters and want to establish patrols, face-off swarms of fast boats, etc. these Naval helicopters are not just an over-kill but also a great loss if they crash or are downed. And in open waters going after a surface threat a lighter helicopter might be better at establishing contact and reacting to what it sees. But thinking through this the Navy already has the Marines and could deploy those helicopters from their ships for most of those roles.
 
That is why it sounded to me like the Army trying to take on some missions that the Marines can do.
 
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WarNerd       4/25/2014 5:06:30 AM
I dont ; know  sea  planes  how  practical for  carrier battle  group detect,search  submarines.....
Not.
 
They can only land on calm water (sea state 1 or less for small amphibians) and you have to stop to winch them back on board.
 
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WarNerd       4/25/2014 5:13:32 AM
That is why it sounded to me like the Army trying to take on some missions that the Marines can do.
Not unless the Army also gets infantry on board and a way to convey them to the beach.
 
And if the Marines have any say, those Apaches will only be deploying from ships other than the landing ships. They want more helicopters, not to give up some of theirs.  And 2 Apache probably take the space of 3 Vipers.
 
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HR    War Nerd   4/25/2014 1:37:18 PM
I know... the Marines probably placed a compliant face to these news out of need to sound like a team player but I am sure that behind the scenes they do not want Army helicopters operating routinely from ship.
 
But I do think the Army fears being left out of the "shift to the Pacific" and loosing relevance. The Army has already shown problems moving quickly to hot-spots here and there in the world where the Marines have not and that must be bothering them too.
 
And Navy multi-purpose helicopters are expensive and I have frequently wondered how viable would it be to have lighter and cheaper helicopters for patrols and anti-ship roles. But that is a muse of mine.
 
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keffler25       4/25/2014 6:02:46 PM
Warnerd is right, HR is wrong. plus the primary anti-ship mission could be carried out by a robot optimized for the role. No need for Apaches which are not designed for anti-ship work. (Neither is the AH-1).  
 
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ATC619       4/26/2014 2:53:59 AM


I dont ; know  sea  planes  how  practical for  carrier battle  group detect,search  submarines.....

Not.

 

They can only land on calm water (sea state 1 or less for small amphibians) and you have to stop to winch them back on board.



 
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