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Mark F RE:Brazil 12/27/2003 3:59:01 PM

Rubbish. Probably comes from the same source as the supposed sale of a Forrestal class CVA to Brazil a few years ago. The Brazilian carrier is too small to operate F/A-18's as the French already learned when they tried them back in the 80's. Brazil doesn't have the funds to replace its low-houred and otherwise entirely adequate A-4's either.

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Jack Tar RE:Brazil 12/30/2003 5:17:33 AM

I'm also fairly certain that the Brazilian Navy no longer has an active carrier. The Minas Gerais was taken out of service, and the last I heard, was available on Ebay! Any thoughts on Brazil being a potential buyer for an Invincible Class once they become available?(After the new RN carriers come into service 2012 onwards)

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gf0012-aus RE:Brazil 12/30/2003 5:29:33 AM

I bet a few quid on at least one of the Invincibles going south of the border... :) That narrows it down to 3 likely choices.

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Jack Tar RE:Brazil 12/30/2003 5:34:14 AM

He he, your last post made me think of a potential situation that could arise. How ironic would it be for Argentina to buy the Invincible!

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gf0012-aus RE:Brazil 12/30/2003 5:55:40 AM

History often repeats itself.... ;)

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gf0012-aus Brazil - Minas Gerais 12/30/2003 6:21:38 AM

Actually I'm surprised that China hasn't tried to buy this vessel. They bought HMAS Melbourne ( a close relative of the M-G) for scrap. There are persistent rumours that the ship is till intact and that the Chinese navy were still looking at flight characteristics etc... Its probably an urban myth though, why anyone would use a 50 year old carrier as a partial template is stretching the rumour mill quite a bit... I would have thought that it would have come back as a series of reconstituted deck chairs, camping mugs, cheap a$$ power tools etc... :)

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Crusader RE:Brazil-Jack Tar 12/30/2003 6:50:58 AM

>>I'm also fairly certain that the Brazilian Navy no longer has an active carrier. << They operate the ex-French Foch, so they still do have 1 carrier active. Regarding the Invincible, there are still rumors about India buying it if the Russian deal keeps going the way it has. Maybe Australia will buy it this time around (Invincible).

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Jack Tar RE:Brazil-Jack Tar 12/30/2003 7:03:19 AM

I stand corrected.(I wondered what had happened to the Foch.....what about the Clemenceau? Scrapped?) Would the Aussie's still be interested in an Invincible in eight years time?

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gf0012-aus Invincible 12/30/2003 3:58:09 PM

We won't buy the invincible or any sister ships. We had the option during the Falklands and the govt (idiots) disbanded the fixed wing combat elements of the fleet air arm, and binned the Carrier. Future requirements are for 2-3 22k tonne LHA's which look suspiciously like helo carriers. The LHA design is a more useful platform for Oz as it fits in with expeditionary and rapid force deployment requirements. We're building to a fleet capability that can deploy quickly, offload troops and equipment quickly, turn around and repeat the exercise. The core capability of being able to accompany US Pacific Fleet units into hot theatres is still a primary task (or any other US major fleet requirements for that matter). The Invincibles just don't meet the changing force requirements. (I buggered up the name of the Brazilian CVL as well, so used to the sth americans buying the old Brit light carriers)

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Mark F RE:Brazil - Minas Gerais 12/30/2003 6:18:34 PM

HMS Melbourne was still in existence at least as late as 1994 and may explain Chinese shipyards showing models at trade shows that look suspiciously like WWI vintage carriers - available today? For a nation that has no experience building carriers, even a 50 year-old model can still provide important lessons.

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