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Subject: f-14 replacement
soren mateo    6/9/2002 4:55:26 AM
is it the f-35 jsf which will replace the f-14 or is it the f-18 e/f? if they no longer carry the phoenix missiles, and will not be configured to do so in the future, what if some "rogue" nation does use exocet missiles again? and lastly, why can''t the f-35 be configured to carry more weapons? i know, you seldom have to use as much as it has now...but 6 hard points will be nice...just a thought
 
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HJ    RE:To engage or not to engage   12/22/2004 8:45:49 AM
Couldn't agree more. A little luck of the circumstances helps as well...history is full of odd pairings where the apparent underdog comes out on top, but also many engagements where the opponent never saw the attacking fighter so relative technology took a back seat to unfoldng circumstance and skill of attacker.
 
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USN-MID    RE:f-14 replacement   1/10/2005 1:16:16 AM
The F-14 Cheney story goes like this. It's about 1990. Grumman was naval air king. Their founder was an ex-Navy man. They had designed the greatest naval fighters in history. And...Top Gun(the movie) had come out recently. In their giddiness they offered the Navy a Tomcat upgrade program similar to what we saw with the Super Bug...at RIDICULOUS prices. They were confident their status would see them through. At which point SecDef Cheney gave them the bird, and asked MDD what they were cooking up. Why people are pissed with the Super Bug. As bsl mentioned, it doesn't offer anything fancy. No supercruise. No stealth. No fantastic range. The best improvements are maneuvering envelope expansion, bringback, and low speed characteristics. That's not sexy stuff. But it's still a damn solid aircraft with a lot of room for improvement in many of its systems. Which is what was needed. In lieu of the Tomcat-21 and A-12 fiascos, it can really be considered a success, and a stopgap un-F###ing for naval air until the JSF comes about. At which manned naval air will die...according to most estimates.
 
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HJ    F-14D cancellation   1/16/2005 1:53:05 PM
Indeed, it was circa 1990 that the New York Congessional Delegation went up against SECDEF Cheney and boasted that they would simply "fix" the F-14D program the way they wanted on the hill. SECDEF retaliated by cancelling it altogether and ordering the production tooling broken up (ie termination with prejudice). This type of Congressional sponsorship of programs within their districts used to be the norm and this was a watershed event that served notice that it would not stand in the future (McCain in particular "shouts out" this type activity). The aftermath of the A-12 was a lot more convoluted. There was a love affair with stealth, but it doesn't come quickly or cheaply. Even though A-12 was cancelled, there was a lot of funding laid across the FYDP (six year defense planning "budget") so question was what to do? Cheney didn't have to ask "McD" what they had, they were already positioning themselves with a proposal to provide the F/A-18E/F. Congress wasn't happy, but they allowed it with a $5B cap on non-recurring engineering. That isn't a lot of money when it comes to developing an aircraft. I agree with USN-MID that Super Hornet is damn solid and it plays well in recent and anticipated conflicts where stealth isn't that much of a discrimminator and having a lot of weapons stations and bring-back is. With advent of GPS weapons and JHMCS, aircraft are more delivery platforms and F/A-18E/F will do well as the replacement in the F-14 and A-6 role. Ultimately, I do not think the Super Hornet will bean interim fix at all. In early 90s, the E/F was going to be more E than F as the usefulness of the two place pit was threatened (wonder why the initial E/Fs in the fleet were two E squadrons?). After F-14 demonstrated the combat usefulness of the two seat FAC(A) over Bosnia, Kosovo and later in OEF and OIF, the F/A-18F came into its own. THe JSF will replace F/A-18C in the air wings and serve alongside the F squadrons (besides, someone has to "pass the gas").
 
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