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Subject: confused about the hornet
keensetofpeepers    12/4/2004 11:59:25 AM
hey guys, i'm new here, so i apologize if this has been covered before. i've seen a lot of posts about F-18 Hornet vs. X fighter, and pretty split opinion as to which is better. What I'm wondering is (and what initially led me to this board, among others), it seems like one of Hornet's weaknesses is its relative slowness to accelerate in a dogfight, and inability to sustain high energy state. However, in any generic website about the Hornet, they give the standard pitch ..."many pilots consider Hornet an exceptional dogfighter and cite its ability to maintain energy for evasive action as an outstanding trait...blah blah" Is it possible to reconcile the Hornet's ability to sustain evasive action with the popular perception that it loses energy too quickly in a fight? or is one just completely wrong?
 
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blacksmith    RE:confused about the hornet   12/4/2004 1:14:45 PM
Low acceleration does not necessarilly lead to high energy bleed. What bleeds energy is high g. That's why the Navy has never had a 9-g airplane. The air force and eurocanards all brag about 9-g capability but what this really means is that they can pull an instantaneous 9-g turn and then they are trying to get energy back with huge gobs of fuel, assuming the pilot hasn't GLOCed. (G induced Loss Of Conciousness). The Hornet on the other hand doesn't pull a 9-g turn, doesn't expend all of its energy and can maintain its turn rate. When it gets into position on the other guy, it swings its nose into position to fire. The Hornet's biggest advantage is its agility. It can point its nose like no other aircraft without thrust vectoring. The agility advantage is somewhat dissipated by the advent of high offboresight missiles. But even the high offboresight missiles have gimbol limits. Now, which is better. The G-LOC inducing high g airplane. Or the dizzying agile airplane. And the answer is......neither. What's better is a pilot who flies to his plane's advantage while keeping the other guy from flying to his.
 
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USN-MID    RE:confused about the hornet   12/4/2004 2:03:51 PM
" ...seems like one of Hornet's weaknesses is its relative slowness to accelerate in a dogfight, and inability to sustain high energy state." A common misconception. Hornets accelerate very, very well. The problem they have is with TRANSONIC acceleration. Once they break the sound barrier, or if they stay under 0.9M(typical air to air engagement speeds), it doesn't suffer the massive drag penalty. The Hornet is an exceptional dogfighter b/c of its ability to point its nose as needed. With today's high energy, high G missiles, that's a huge advantage, as you can point and shoot first. Certain Hornet maneuvers do bleed speed, but they're done intentionally. Furthermore, it can recover extremely well from a low energy state until it hits transonic, when it hits "the wall." In addition, it maneuvers in zones where other aircraft would lose all control authority, either from spinning out or due to the FCS limiters. With the Super Hornet, the FCS makes high alpha/low speed fighting a breeze. The SH pirouette is impressive, and is quite literally done on a dime.
 
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