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Subject: Obama sneers at man mentioning high gas prices, and suggests that he buy a new car
Zhang Fei    4/9/2011 7:47:41 PM
Check out the youtube video referred to in the following account:
A man asked the President about gas prices and wondered if there was anything we could do to bring them down. While trying to explain three steps to lowering the prices, Obama said this, after saying cars is where most of our oil is used: Now, I noticed some folks clapped, but I know some of these big guys, they?re still all driving their big SUV?s they got their big monster trucks and everything, (pointing to man who asked him the question) You?re one of them? Now, here?s my point, you know, if you?re complaining about the price of gas, and you only gettin? 8 miles a gallon, (looks around for support, chuckles some more) you know, you may have a big family, but it?s probably not that big, (laughs some more) so, how many do you have, ten kids you say, ten kids? (Big smile, looks incredulous, disbelieving, long pause) Well, you definitely need a hybrid van then. (laughs in crowd, guffaws)
 
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CJH       4/9/2011 9:40:05 PM
I believe that years from now, we will see that Obama's policies have been motivated by an opinion of America most accurately expressed in the highly publicized rants of Obama's long time friend, Rev. Wright.
 
Rev. Wright called on God to damn America. Obama promulgates economic and security policies designed to help achieve that damning.
 
Do not expect Obama to do anything that is not calculated to destroy the America that we have known.
 
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Reactive       4/10/2011 12:40:19 PM

I believe that years from now, we will see that Obama's policies have been motivated by an opinion of America most accurately expressed in the highly publicized rants of Obama's long time friend, Rev. Wright.

 

Rev. Wright called on God to damn America. Obama promulgates economic and security policies designed to help achieve that damning.

 

Do not expect Obama to do anything that is not calculated to destroy the America that we have known.


 lol..
 
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Reactive       4/10/2011 1:15:38 PM
Now, I noticed some folks clapped, but I know some of these big guys, they?re still all driving their big SUV?s they got their big monster trucks and everything, (pointing to man who asked him the question) You?re one of them? Now, here?s my point, you know, if you?re complaining about the price of gas, and you only gettin? 8 miles a gallon, (looks around for support, chuckles some more) you know, you may have a big family, but it?s probably not that big, (laughs some more) so, how many do you have, ten kids you say, ten kids? (Big smile, looks incredulous, disbelieving, long pause) Well, you definitely need a hybrid van then. (laughs in crowd, guffaws)
 
 
Ok, CJH, Suv's have a purpose, but in the US especially they are, as the antichrist said, INCREDIBLY INNEFICIENT MODES OF TRANSPORT, in fact, to complain about the price of gasoline yet willingly on a daily urban journey waste up to 10 gallons of fuel powering a needlessly inefficient powerplant is STUPID.
 
I'm sick of hearing this bullshit - As if the idea of somehow not wasting fuel needlessly for NO GAIN in any measurable ANYTHING is somehow anti fu**ing american!? 8MPG is absolutely absurd for a mode of transport, if you choose to drive that either because it is a status symbol for you (very often) or it somehow compensates for other shortcomings then that's your damn problem, you're going to PAY MORE for it.
 
The US auto industry has failed and required a big SOCIALIST bailout because it has so recklessly ignored the writing on the wall with regard to the price of oil - it pumped money into advertising the "big ol' american SUV lifestyle" to people who willingly bought into it - as a result it lost a lot of influence overseas but also found itself essentially following technological dead ends where japanese and european manufacturers were developing cars and SUV's that achieved, at no cost to performance a far better cost per gallon.
 
Why whinge about the price of oil if you are needlessly wasting it?

There are SUV's that are fuel efficient, and ones that aren't, it's become fashionable to waste as if that is just one big part of the big american dream, that leads to long term investment in the wrong areas and an infrastructural defecit that actually weakens your national security - so vast and immediate are the consequences of an oil shortage.

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YelliChink       4/10/2011 1:52:12 PM


Why whinge about the price of oil if you are needlessly wasting it?


R



The best selling American cars are not SUV. They are pick up trucks such as Ford F-150.
People buy those because they use those trucks for their small business, which they own and run themselves, farm works and towing heavy equipment.
Most urban Americans do drive small SUV that are not that fuel inefficient.
 
And, GM and Chrysler failed because of the UAW. You can blame the failed socialist state called Michigan as well, which has been under very liberal Democrat control for decades. Japanese and Koreans are opening factories in the US since 80s, and they don't hire union workers.
 
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YelliChink       4/10/2011 1:55:34 PM
 
#1 Best selling car in the US in 2010: Ford F-150.
 
Oh and most cars on the top 15 list are compact cars rated 35MPG on highway.
 
 
 
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YelliChink       4/10/2011 3:14:53 PM
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For most Americans, however, high gas prices are no laughing matter. And for the president to suggest that a taxpayer?s inability to buy a new $40,000+ hybrid vehicle (that still requires gas) is the root problem, rather than his price-increasing oil policies is shameful.

First, the president can stop trying to turn the Department of Energy into the Department of Automobile Manufacturing. He can turn his focus away from lecturing car owners and towards expanding our domestic energy supply. President Obama has paid lip service to this idea lately, but actions speak louder than words. Costly regulations on refiners can be eliminated tomorrow, the same way they were enacted, unilaterally by the president.

Drilling permits can not only be processed, but explorative growth can be encouraged. Rather than cheering on Brazil?s offshore production, the president can choose to cheer our own domestic industry that supports domestic jobs and creates economic growth. And the president can immediately stop equating windmills to oil rigs, since wind produces electricity, and oil isn?t used for electricity generation. It only takes seconds to stop offering false choices.

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Reactive       4/10/2011 4:36:18 PM







Why whinge about the price of oil if you are needlessly wasting it?





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The best selling American cars are not SUV. They are pick up trucks such as Ford F-150.


People buy those because they use those trucks for their small business, which they own and run themselves, farm works and towing heavy equipment.


Most urban Americans do drive small SUV that are not that fuel inefficient.

 

And, GM and Chrysler failed because of the UAW. You can blame the failed socialist state called Michigan as well, which has been under very liberal Democrat control for decades. Japanese and Koreans are opening factories in the US since 80s, and they don't hire union workers.


The F-150 is widespread in urban areas, in fact the F-150 in its newer incarnations is far less of a real workhorse than it ever was before, it is now plainly just as much of a fashion accessory, with styling to match, of course people use these things for business and that must account for a significant percentage but they do about 15mpg and plainly, in my experience, the majority are never used for anything more than picking up family buckets at KFC.
 
In any case, Ford are working to incease the efficiency from 15mpg to about 22mpg becuase for the first time ever the american consumer is being faced with the notion that the oil is not infinite and is going to become ever more expensive - it's no bad thing that gas prices are rising, it will encourage exactly the sorts of engineering decisions that make good sense.
 
I understand your POV here and yes, not everyone owns an SUV by any stretch of the imagination, but the numbers of people who do, and own those that are ridiculously and gratuitously wasteful will have to make more informed choices - that is always driven by cost, but as I said in the previous post, having an economy based on massively inefficient oil consumption is a recipe for disaster. 
 
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Reactive       4/10/2011 4:44:13 PM
And regarding starting new drilling operations, well it's up to the US as a nation to do that - it won't make much difference in the big scheme of things, there still ain't enough to make a big difference, the answer is not more oil, it's less reliance on a diminishing resource, especially one that has so many negatives associated with its extraction and use - one that also dictates much of your foreign policy.
 
There's no near-term alternative to gasoline, but when used efficiently it will reduce demand (lowering costs) and also pave the way into the energy-dense storage mediums of the future (hybrids).
 
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YelliChink       4/10/2011 8:45:32 PM

The F-150 is widespread in urban areas, in fact the F-150 in its newer incarnations is far less of a real workhorse than it ever was before, it is now plainly just as much of a fashion accessory, with styling to match, of course people use these things for business and that must account for a significant percentage but they do about 15mpg and plainly, in my experience, the majority are never used for anything more than picking up family buckets at KFC. 

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The US is a very big country, and you should have driven around to see how real jobs are done instead of going from one KFC to another, and blaming people coming back from work buying family buckets.
 
Maybe you should think differently. Instead of thinking like an Englishman who passively accept the norm of life set by the ruling elites, usually the decendents of inbreeders, you should be thinking more like an American who elects his public servants expecting they serve him, not the other way around. 
 
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Reactive       4/10/2011 9:46:19 PM




The F-150 is widespread in urban areas, in fact the F-150 in its newer incarnations is far less of a real workhorse than it ever was before, it is now plainly just as much of a fashion accessory, with styling to match, of course people use these things for business and that must account for a significant percentage but they do about 15mpg and plainly, in my experience, the majority are never used for anything more than picking up family buckets at KFC. 



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The US is a very big country, and you should have driven around to see how real jobs are done instead of going from one KFC to another, and blaming people coming back from work buying family buckets.

 

Maybe you should think differently. Instead of thinking like an Englishman who passively accept the norm of life set by the ruling elites, usually the decendents of inbreeders, you should be thinking more like an American who elects his public servants expecting they serve him, not the other way around. 

You might do well to remember, Yelli, that it was the English who just held the entire parliamentry system to an absurd level of scrutiny regarding expenses claims of really quite paltry and insignificant sums, when you compare that to the routine lobbyist graft that openly takes place in the US electoral system it really is chump change..
 
You seem to have a very idealistic view of the US - I'm not going to go in to the pros and cons of each system but I think it's fair to say each has a healthy share of both. The amount of transparency demanded over here of politicians most especially in terms of campaign funding and lobbyist graft is something I would never give up.
 
And the "hard working guy" buying a bucket back from work etc doesn't wash either, my observation was made in terms of  those living in urban areas who have purchased a needlessly large and hungry vehicle to make a daily commute that at no point requires a V8 - should these people be allowed to own and run them? YES! but it will cost more as it is less efficient.
 
If you think that the current US administration has the capacity right now to dramatically reduce the price of oil then you are mistaken, if you think there isn't a lot of room for improvements in useful work done / gallon then you are also mistaken, if you think that any economy thrives by being overly reliant on inefficient exploitation of a single resource then you are very mistaken indeed.
 
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