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Subject: How low can he go? Ogabe does the reverse limbo before Hirohito's son
Zhang Fei    11/14/2009 11:23:48 PM
This clown, this bozo is yet another reason... why I am glad we have presidential elections every four years:
Standing at over six foot in height, Barack Obama had to bow deeply as he paid his respects to the diminutive Japanese Emperor Akihito. But the comical sight, which saw the President bend almost double, will no doubt earn him nods of approval in Japan, where a low bow is a sign of great respect and deference. Obama met the emperor and Empress Michiko at the Imperial Palace today, a stop on his nine-day Asian tour that will also see him take in Singapore and China. The President, who is strengthening US ties with Asia, reminisced about a childhood visit to Japan and even discussed green tea ice cream during his time in the capital city. Addressing 1,500 people, Obama pledged his ?unshakeable? commitment to Asian security and insisted the US would not be ?cowed? by North Korea?s nuclear tests. He said: ?I want every American to know that we have a stake in the future of this region, because what happens here has a direct effect on our lives at home. ?This is where we engage in much of our commerce and buy many of our goods. And this is where we can export more of our own products and create jobs back home in the process.? He added: ?I am beginning my journey here for a simple reason. Since taking office, I have worked to renew American leadership and pursue a new era of engagement with the world based on mutual interests and mutual respect. ?And our efforts in the Asia Pacific will be rooted, in no small measure, through an enduring and revitalized alliance between the United States and Japan.?
 
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Zhang Fei       11/14/2009 11:38:55 PM
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Ogabe bows before Akihito

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Cheney shakes hands with Akihito
 
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 Chinese premier Wen Jiabao shakes hands with Akihito
 
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sentinel28a       11/15/2009 3:31:18 AM
I have no problem with this.  Obama is showing respect.  No, he doesn't have to bow, but it is polite, and it is a gesture probably appreciated by the Japanese people.  (Though I do think Obama's bow is a tad too deep.  Akihito is not a head of state.)
 
I'd rather have him bowing to Akihito in a culture where bowing is as natural (in fact, more natural) than shaking hands, than bowing to a corrupt ruler of an inept house of a culture of religious fanaticism. 
 
 
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Zhang Fei       11/15/2009 11:37:07 AM
Shaking hands is the American way of showing respect. It's also de rigueur around the world. 
 
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Hamilcar    Shaking hands is a HUMAN custom......   11/15/2009 12:46:41 PM
from various cultures that grew out of shaking the arm for hidden weapons up someone's sleeves. Some speculate that it came from the Middle East as a defense against assassination, some suggest Classical Rome as an origin as the primary assassin blade weapon in that culture was the dagger held and hidden at the forearm.  

Bowing similarly (offering the neck) is subservience and shows inferior to superior obsequiousness.

And that is what it EXACTLY means in this context.
 
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DarthAmerica       11/15/2009 12:58:55 PM

I have no problem with this.  Obama is showing respect.  No, he doesn't have to bow, but it is polite, and it is a gesture probably appreciated by the Japanese people.  (Though I do think Obama's bow is a tad too deep.  Akihito is not a head of state.)

 
 

Agreed. No issue whatsoever and it's going to go a long way. I've done my fair share of traveling and I enjoy practicing the local customs and traditions. This gesture from the most powerful man in the world will mean a lot to Japan. A CRUCIAL ALLY. Considering the number and magnitude of the problems the POTUS is dealing with now, keeping good diplomatic relations and military cooperation in the PACRIM is very prudent.

-DA 

 
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Zhang Fei       11/15/2009 1:13:00 PM
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Local customs? Check out the way Hatoyama presents himself before l'Empereur. Notice that there's no bowing involved.
 
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DarthAmerica    @ZF   11/15/2009 1:43:17 PM
I'm not trying to convince you. I know you will find any reason you can to see this negatively. All I'm saying is it doesn't bother me and in Japan it will be looked upon very favorably. If ANY OF YOU disagree and don't like it, then I respect your position on the matter and agree to disagree. Personally I think it's silly to try and politicize every cough and sneeze from President Obama however, if I were he and all my opposition can do is nit pick things like this then I'm a happy man.


-DA 
 
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Hamilcar        11/15/2009 1:55:57 PM
A fool cannot look, nor stand, nor walk like a man of sense.
      - Jean de la Bruyere...
 
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sentinel28a       11/15/2009 2:30:30 PM
Hmm.  I must admit to some second thoughts (and not because DA and I are in agreement for once, which should net Obama another Peace Prize).  Apparently, no other world leader has bowed to Akihito--who doesn't seem offended by it--and as Zhang has pointed out, Hatoyama didn't bow to Akihito (which stunned me), nor did Akihito return the bow.  I would think that Akihito would at least return the bow somewhat--and Obama did bow too low, though he might've been overcompensating for the fact that he's much taller than Akihito.
 
Still, I don't necessarily see harm in it; it's an honorable gesture in Japan, and if Hatoyama and Obama exchanged bows, there would be no harm in that, either.  I do see a problem with Obama bowing to a Saudi prince, who doesn't deserve such respect, and not bowing before Queen Elizabeth II, who does. 
 
Again, I don't see it as a case of "Heh, heh, screw America, I'm gonna scrape to this Emperor dude to show how weak we are," but as a case of Obama giving an old man a show of respect.  Now were Akihito in the US, then I wouldn't approve of Obama doing so.  When in Japan, do as the Japanese do, but when the situation is reversed...
 
On the list of monumental screwups Obama has pulled, this is pretty low on the list.
 
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EvilFishy       11/15/2009 4:08:07 PM

Can someone please clear up some confusion for me?

The Obama White House stated that Obama DID NOT BOW to the King of Saud and yet when I compare the two images, they appear strikingly similar to me.

What gives?

 
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