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Subject: NY Trial
appleciderus    11/13/2009 9:24:28 PM
Former mayor Rudy: ?Returning some of the Guantanamo detainees to New York City for trial, specifically Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, has now brought us full circle ? we have regressed to a pre-9/11 mentality with respect to Islamic extremist terrorism,? former Mayor Rudy Giuliani said in a statement. ?Khalid Shaikh Mohammed should be treated like the war criminal he is and tried in a military court. He is not just another murderer, or even a mass murderer. He murdered as part of a declared war against us?America.? Rudy said the same on Cavuto this afternoon. I think as soon as the sheilk's usefulness expires, so should he. Quietly, painfully, and anonymously. Not another 5 year trial with casualties.
 
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Panther       11/13/2009 10:02:48 PM
War... What war? The press hasn't mentioned anything about us being at war in the last eight years or so.
 
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Hamilcar    Eric Holder amok.   11/13/2009 10:04:41 PM
This shows the political tin ear of the Obama administration.
 
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Jimme       11/13/2009 10:35:28 PM
This has got me so incredibly pissed its not even funny. Peter King has it right when he said this is probably the worst thing any president has ever done. How can Obama be so blinded by ideology that he would put any sense of justice we might have in jeopardy. The minute these demons set foot on US soil they receive a host of rights they neither deserve nor extended to any of their victims. The defense lawyers could drag this out for years and make a mockery of the entire system. The whole process would be in the hands of a judge who could be a liberal sympathetic PoS!
 
None of these guys where read their Miranda rights, their lawyers will say they were tortured and have any confessions thrown out of court, they cold also motion for discovery and force sensitive information to be made public. All for what? This spit head to say "we are better then they are" or some other stupid liberal crap.
 
FDR knew better then this when he had the Nazi terrorist caught in Florida court Marshalled and executed and the SUPREME COURT  upheld his decision! Now I have to worry about an intensified Terrorist effort in NY to protest the trials or maybe even some more fort Hood type lone terrorist.
 
 Real smart.
 
 
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smitty237       11/14/2009 12:45:29 AM
This is a calculated and risky gamble for the Obama Administration.  I believe they are firmly confident that they will get a conviction in the case, but I think they also want to use this trial to further embarass the Bush/Cheney Administration.  The problem will be introducing elements that will hurt Bush (and by extension Republicans) without running the risk of winning acquittals for the terrorists.  The longer the trial runs the harder it will be for the Obama people to blame Bush and/or the CIA for a subsequent acquittal. 
 
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appleciderus    Are they related?   11/14/2009 9:25:14 AM
We all understand the fundamental difference between treating terrorism as a criminal offense rather than as a military threat. The left has always wanted to try the sheik in criminal court, but was the announcement made now in order to deflect focus from the Fort Hood massacre?
 
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Ashley-the-man       11/14/2009 1:08:52 PM
This is a calculated and risky gamble for the Obama Administration.  I believe they are firmly confident that they will get a conviction in the case, but I think they also want to use this trial to further embarass the Bush/Cheney Administration.  The problem will be introducing elements that will hurt Bush (and by extension Republicans) without running the risk of winning acquittals for the terrorists.  The longer the trial runs the harder it will be for the Obama people to blame Bush and/or the CIA for a subsequent acquittal. 
 
The U.S. secretely indicted KSM in January 1996.  The Clinton Administration chased him around the world for the next four years without success. During this time he hatched and worked with bin Laden on the 911 plot.  It would seem that the Clinton Administration was ineffective in preventing the 911 plot.  The Bush Administration finally put enough pressure on the Pakistani ISI to capture KSM in March 2003 and turn him over to the U. S.  There may have been many more attacks by KSM led terrorists had he not been stoped. 
 
Like European tourists who were killed outside the pyramids to protest the trial of the blind Sheikh Rachman in 1996,  there may be attacks on westerns while KSM is on trail. 
 
There is enough on KSM to not address the waterboarding that the CIA used on him to prevent any plots he had hatched.
 
Obama is facing outrage over his decision to bring KSM to New York.  One wonders is he will ever come to understand the compromises the Bush Administration had to make in holding people at Quantanamo.  It is one think while on the campaign trail to be high minded, and another while having to made tough decisions to put a political spin on an unpopular decision.
 
 
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Ezekiel       11/14/2009 2:17:39 PM











This is a calculated and risky gamble for the Obama Administration.  I believe they are firmly confident that they will get a conviction in the case, but I think they also want to use this trial to further embarass the Bush/Cheney Administration.  The problem will be introducing elements that will hurt Bush (and by extension Republicans) without running the risk of winning acquittals for the terrorists.  The longer the trial runs the harder it will be for the Obama people to blame Bush and/or the CIA for a subsequent acquittal. 
 

The U.S. secretely indicted KSM in January 1996.  The Clinton Administration chased him around the world for the next four years without success. During this time he hatched and worked with bin Laden on the 911 plot.  It would seem that the Clinton Administration was ineffective in preventing the 911 plot.  The Bush Administration finally put enough pressure on the Pakistani ISI to capture KSM in March 2003 and turn him over to the U. S.  There may have been many more attacks by KSM led terrorists had he not been stoped. 

 

Like European tourists who were killed outside the pyramids to protest the trial of the blind Sheikh Rachman in 1996,  there may be attacks on westerns while KSM is on trail. 

 

There is enough on KSM to not address the waterboarding that the CIA used on him to prevent any plots he had hatched.

 

Obama is facing outrage over his decision to bring KSM to New York.  One wonders is he will ever come to understand the compromises the Bush Administration had to make in holding people at Quantanamo.  It is one think while on the campaign trail to be high minded, and another while having to made tough decisions to put a political spin on an unpopular decision.


 


Good summary....
 
I would add that this decision is a manifestation of the clear refusal to see terrorism in a wider context of a war with militant islam. By giving these jihadists a propoganda stage and greater access to the American legal system manipulation and weakness is ensured to follow.
 
 
Obama/Holder is actually going against US legal precedent in removing the military tribunals in cases of foreign aggression.
 
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YelliChink       11/14/2009 8:43:39 PM
www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/14/illinois.prison.gitmo/index.html
 
Illinois prison top contender to house Gitmo detainees, official says
 
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WTF!? NIMBY! NIMBY! NIMBY!
 
 
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Hamilcar    ROTFLMAO   11/14/2009 9:02:45 PM

www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/14/illinois.prison.gitmo/index.html

 


Illinois prison top contender to house Gitmo detainees, official says

 

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WTF!? NIMBY! NIMBY! NIMBY!


 

Why not? Bring the recruiters and recruits into close proximity.
 
 
 
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sentinel28a       11/15/2009 4:02:41 AM
Montana must be out of the running, then.  I can see why...when the people of Hardin (where the Gitmo detainees were to be located) heard about the possible relocation, they were grinning and talking about "hunting season."
 
Yeah, I imagine Holder and Obama wouldn't be too keen on putting prisoners in an area where the locals hope they escape.  Illinois? That tells me that all the administration can see is more jobs for their political cronies. 
 
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