Quik question: Has any sane secular individual committed random mass murder?

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FJV 11/8/2009 6:07:01 AM

The anarchists come to mind.

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Nasty German Idiot 11/8/2009 10:15:50 AM

How about Charles Whitman ? (1966 killings)

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CJH 11/8/2009 3:55:20 PM

How about Charles Whitman ? (1966 killings)

The University of Texas tower sniper. He reportedly was affected by a brain tumor.

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At the Cook Funeral Home the next day, an autopsy was performed as requested in Whitman's suicide note and approved by Whitman's father, Charles Adolf Whitman, and performed by Dr. Chenar. A brain tumor was found and initially reported as an astrocytoma brain tumor,^[24] although results from the subsequent Governor's report investigation revealed the tumor was a glioblastoma that could have been a factor in the event.^[10]

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CJH 11/8/2009 4:01:03 PM

1) I meant mass murder in US by US citizens against fellow citizens on an impulsive basis.(like Major Hasan and some others)

2) Communists are not secular, they are atheists- they burn churches down and imprison Lamas etc.

3) Clearly there is a link between religious indoctrination in some stage in life for significant time (Tim McVeigh was obviously varied in his beliefs, but did attend Sunday church a lot as a child) and love of guns being a predicator of a probable trigger happy nut.

4) Its not directed against religion or guns, its more on how to screen probable shooters. Of course further qualifiers will be legally necessary since this is the land of the free- just trying to keep it free and safe.

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Nasty German Idiot 11/8/2009 4:07:52 PM

So until they cut the head of the recent one open we wont know ...

/ just from the outside look, why is it so hard to categorize him into the same department as some other (I would label them christian !) US soldiers that have gone rampage knowing they would be send to Iraq soon , in his case even made more difficult by his religious believes and maybe socialisation ?

Im not fully into it, but if I remember correctly there have been cases like that. As well as US soldiers going rampage in the Camp directly before the Iraq Invasion, I think there was an incident in Kuwait ...

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Zhang Fei 11/8/2009 4:15:58 PM

I meant mass murder in US by US citizens against fellow citizens on an impulsive basis.(like Major Hasan and some others)

There are impulse-driven serial killings. I've never heard of a successful impulse-driven mass murder. Mass murder requires careful planning, preparation and the stockpiling of weapons and ammunition.

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YelliChink 11/8/2009 4:30:01 PM

So until they cut the head of the recent one open we wont know ...

I recall no such rampage ever happened. The one happened in Kuwait prior to OIF was by a Muslim convert.That was an acute outbreak of Sudden Jihad Syndrome.

An Army psychiatrist's job in Iraq is certainly not carrying a rifle and patrolling streets of Baghdad. This case is actually chronic brain disease (not officially named yet) caused by indoctrination of Islamofascist turning into SJS. The only cure during the outbreak is 9mm bullet in brain stem.

No known cure for the unnamed brain disease has been invented so far, even though some patients returned to full mental health without intervention, while most do not turn into violent form of SJS, even though high risk of transforming is present.

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CJH 11/8/2009 4:47:06 PM

1) I meant mass murder in US by US citizens against fellow citizens on an impulsive basis.(like Major Hasan and some others)

2) Communists are not secular, they are atheists- they burn churches down and imprison Lamas etc.

Well, I understood you to be directing your comments at Christianity. This is problematic.

Many people contend that, and I believe that all people are religious in at least some generalized way. I believe that Communism is involved with a religion but I recognize people consider Communists to be non-religious (or secular).

The word Christian can apply in many different ways. There are cultural Christians who are not saved for instance.

But when I used the term, I refer to the members of the Body of Christ or God's elect or or the invisible church.

I understand the word church is from a Greek word meaning called out ones. These are in the Body of Christ and are called out of this world by Christ Jesus.

When you referred to McVeigh as Christian, I interpreted that to mean that you were claiming that McVeigh was in the Body of Christ. My response was based on my understanding of McVeigh's written copy of Invictus.

People are born into and remain in religious traditions through no active decision of their own. In order to be in the invisible church you have to actively choose Jesus as your Savior and Lord.

The aggregate of the people who identify themselves as Christians but are not saved are sometimes referred to as being the Laodicean church while that of those who are saved would be referred to the Philadelphian church. The Laodicean and Philadelphian churches are explicitly referred to in the present tense in Revelation 3 but are also considered to be intended prophetically in the way I have mentioned.

Issuing a statement that exalts spiritual self-sufficiency on the eve of one's execution is a pretty good indication McVeigh didn't want a savior and therefore could not have been saved.

Invictus seems to me to be satanic in inspiration.

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warpig 11/8/2009 7:50:06 PM

CJH, beyond all that (which I agree with), the fact remains that McVeigh was in no way a religious extremist of any sort--Christian, Satanic, athiest, or anything else.

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CJH 11/8/2009 8:14:18 PM

CJH, beyond all that (which I agree with), the fact remains that McVeigh was in no way a religious extremist of any sort--Christian, Satanic, athiest, or anything else.

Agreed.

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