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Subject: Quik question: Has any sane secular individual committed random mass murder?
Le Zookeeper    11/7/2009 3:25:54 PM
Shouldn't groups with extreme religious views now be suspect and profiled if necessary?
 
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Zhang Fei       11/7/2009 3:52:14 PM
Hitler, Stalin and Mao were all secular. Nehru and Jinnah were secular, yet stood aloof as millions were killed during India's partition.
 
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YelliChink       11/7/2009 3:59:34 PM
Yes, Timothy McVeigh is secular.
 
www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/jun/11/mcveigh.usa4
 
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In his letter, McVeigh said he was an agnostic but that he would "improvise, adapt and overcome", if it turned out there was an afterlife. "If I'm going to hell," he wrote, "I'm gonna have a lot of company." His body is to be cremated and his ashes scattered in a secret location.
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Le Zookeeper    My question is in reference to Major Hasan type events in USA.   11/7/2009 4:01:34 PM

Hitler, Stalin and Mao were all secular. Nehru and Jinnah were secular, yet stood aloof as millions were killed during India's partition.


None of the above randomly shot people or lived in USA>
 
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Le Zookeeper    McVeigh was raised Catholic and overly exposed to guns   11/7/2009 4:04:03 PM

McVeigh was introduced to firearms by his grandfather and became increasingly fascinated by them. McVeigh told people he wanted to be a gun shop owner and he sometimes took firearms to school to impress his classmates. McVeigh became intensely interested in gun rights... after he graduated from high school, as well as the Second Amendment to the United..., and read magazines such as Soldier of Fortune.... He briefly attended Bryant & Stratton College... before dropping out.[9][10]

Beliefs

Political

McVeigh's only known political affiliations were his voter registration with the Republican Party... when he lived in New York and a membership in the National Rifle Association... while in the military.[11] McVeigh self-identified as a libertarian... in a statement that was reported by MSNBC.com and The Washington Post;[12] and while in federal prison, he voted for Libertarian... candidate Harry Browne... in the 1996 United States presidentia....[13]

Religious

Throughout his childhood, he and his father were Roman Catholics... and often attended daily Mass.... In a recorded interview with Time... magazine[14] McVeigh professed his belief in "a God", although he said he had "sort of lost touch with" Catholicism and "I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs." The Guardian... reported that McVeigh wrote a letter to them claiming to be an agnostic....[15] McVeigh at one time said that he believed the universe was guided by natural law, energized by some universal higher power that showed each person right from wrong if they paid attention to what was going on inside them. He had also said, "Science is my religion."[16]

 
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CJH       11/7/2009 4:05:13 PM

Shouldn't groups with extreme religious views now be suspect and profiled if necessary?

You describe Timothy McVeigh in your title.
You raised his name. He is your secular, sane individual.
 
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CJH       11/7/2009 4:07:04 PM

McVeigh was introduced to firearms by his grandfather and became increasingly fascinated by them. McVeigh told people he wanted to be a gun shop owner and he sometimes took firearms to school to impress his classmates. McVeigh became intensely interested in gun rights... after he graduated from high school, as well as the Second Amendment to the United..., and read magazines such as Soldier of Fortune.... He briefly attended Bryant & Stratton College... before dropping out.[9][10]


Beliefs


Political


McVeigh's only known political affiliations were his voter registration with the Republican Party... when he lived in New York and a membership in the National Rifle Association... while in the military.[11] McVeigh self-identified as a libertarian... in a statement that was reported by MSNBC.com and The Washington Post;[12] and while in federal prison, he voted for Libertarian... candidate Harry Browne... in the 1996 United States presidentia....[13]


Religious


Throughout his childhood, he and his father were Roman Catholics... and often attended daily Mass.... In a recorded interview with Time... magazine[14] McVeigh professed his belief in "a God", although he said he had "sort of lost touch with" Catholicism and "I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs." The Guardian... reported that McVeigh wrote a letter to them claiming to be an agnostic....[15] McVeigh at one time said that he believed the universe was guided by natural law, energized by some universal higher power that showed each person right from wrong if they paid attention to what was going on inside them. He had also said, "Science is my religion."[16]



Hitler had been a Catholic alter boy. Yet his atitude towards God was the same as McVeigh's.
 
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CJH       11/7/2009 4:12:12 PM

Shouldn't groups with extreme religious views now be suspect and profiled if necessary?

And by the way, "extreme religious views" applies to feminists and environmentalists more than anyone else.
 
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CJH       11/7/2009 4:13:46 PM



Shouldn't groups with extreme religious views now be suspect and profiled if necessary?



And by the way, "extreme religious views" applies to feminists and environmentalists more than anyone else.

 Well, I'll add animal rights fanatics and Obama worshippers to that list.

 
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YelliChink       11/7/2009 4:17:35 PM
Herc, thrown away reading and comprehension skill is not the right way of trolling.
 
It is making yourself look stupid.
 
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CJH       11/7/2009 4:22:41 PM



Hitler, Stalin and Mao were all secular. Nehru and Jinnah were secular, yet stood aloof as millions were killed during India's partition.





None of the above randomly shot people or lived in USA>
Your question did not mention US residency as a condition.
 
Communists murdered over 100 million innocent people. I hear that Communists are secular.

 
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