Frightening Film on U.S. Terrorism Training Camps

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Le Zookeeper CJH 11/7/2009 1:00:57 PM

I missed this one at the time but just Googled it up after someone mentioned terrorist camps in South Carolina of all places.

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The supply chain for weapons and ammo etc is vastly superior in USA, easily available. Its obvious that besides engineering, and MBAs weapon system training too should be plentiful for students across the world. We got it all from .22s to Automatic assault rifles right next to a grocery store. U should be proud as to what the second amendment now has achieved. Weapon Education for all-no child left behind.

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Le Zookeeper US turning into base for islamo terrorism 11/7/2009 1:07:50 PM

WASHINGTON: A Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) plot to launch new terror attacks in India with the help of two Pakistan-born Chicago men has taken a new turn

with FBI agents recovering two inflammatory al-Qaida

videos from the house of one of them.

The videos recovered from the house of Pakistan-born Canadian Tahawwur Hussain Rana, who was arrested last month along with the other accused David Coleman Headley, a Pakistan-born American national, contain speeches by Osama bin Laden and other terrorist leaders.

According to prosecutors, the two were planning attacks on National Defence College in Delhi, Doon School in Dehradun and Woodstock in Mussourie, besides some other facilities at LeT's behest.

Investigators from two Indian intelligence agencies, the Intelligence Bureau (IB) and the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) are in the US to assist the FBI

. They want to particularly question Headley, who had made several trips to Pakistan and was in constant touch with LeT leaders.

Federal prosecutors in a supporting affidavit submitted to a Chicago court Friday informed judge Nan R. Nolan about the new videos recovered from the living room of 48-year-old Rana, who has been living in Chicago for nearly a decade.

Produced by As Sahab Media, commonly acknowledged to be the media wing of al-Qaida, one of the videos is titled "Bombing of Denmark Embassy".

The 54-minute video on Denmark "was contained on a DVD recovered from the living room of defendant Rana's home on October 18, 2009", federal prosecutors said.

Narrated by Abu Yahya al-Libi, an al-Qaida spokesman who reportedly escaped from American custody in Afgha

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CJH 11/7/2009 2:38:59 PM

I missed this one at the time but just Googled it up after someone mentioned terrorist camps in South Carolina of all places.

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Easily available? How do you know that? Have you obtained weapons illegally?

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Le Zookeeper 11/7/2009 3:02:33 PM

Most weapons are legally available in South Carolina. Also the Mexican drug cartels seem to buy weapons from here itself. I say of all countries in the world it would be easiest to set up a terrorist training camp in the US as all material is legally available raising minimum eyebrows. The heavy stuff of course is not easily available, as in most places.

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Le Zookeeper What really worries me 11/7/2009 3:06:47 PM

is the Christian fundamentalist groups in US, example Timothy McVeigh- they had access to getting bombs - big ones. Islamic groups are a threat, but they can be easily identified.

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Le Zookeeper Numero uno homegrown terrorist was a Catholic. 11/7/2009 3:10:44 PM

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McVeigh...

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Zhang Fei 11/7/2009 3:24:11 PM

I say of all countries in the world it would be easiest to set up a terrorist training camp in the US as all material is legally available raising minimum eyebrows.

It's not at all easy to set up a terrorist training camp anywhere in the world. All terrorist training camps require sponsorship by the host nation. The simple reason is this - there is no such thing as a training camp that doesn't raise, at minimum, local law enforcement eyebrows. The FBI and BATF are continuously on the prowl looking for radical groups to investigate or infiltrate. The Second Amendment prevents the governmental confiscation of privately-owned guns. It doesn't prevent government investigations of private armies or of plots against citizens.

Interestingly enough, the banning of guns in India doesn't seem to have ended the insurgency in Kashmir. The Bombay massacre is proof that Indian gun control serves mainly to help terrorists achieve large body counts. In Pakistan, guns are illegal. Gangsters and jihadists seem to have no problem getting hold of them, though. In fact, the only Pakistanis who aren't armed are the law-abiding citizens routinely killed by criminals and jihadists.

The fact is that most Mexican gangsters get their supplies not from the US but from the Mexican arsenal. Why pay retail when you can get your supplies for the cost of a bribe? They get gang members to enlist, or recruit gang members directly from the military. Once they get the identities of quartermasters, it's no big deal to threaten them or their family members. This is how Mexican gangs use the Mexican military's equipment as their personal armory.

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YelliChink 11/7/2009 3:24:49 PM

You are so wrong on this one, but given your track record on these issues, it doesn't surprise me.

Automatic weapons are highly regulated in the US. No new automatic weapons are allowed to transfer to civilian ownership. Only Military, LEO and federally licensed manufacturers are allowed to acquire automatic weapons. All automatic weapons in civilian hands are either old piece prior to 1986 ban, or illegally constructed, imported or stolen. Many of those automatic weapons in civilian hands are collector's items and do not function unless extensively repaired, and price of those weapons are usually 5 digits and up.

Explosive devices are also highly regulated, and no grenades, rocket launchers or bangalore torpedoes are allowed for civilian sale unless granted by BATFE individually.

Class III body armor are limited for military/LEO purchase only.

No Gen-III night vision devices are available for civilian sale.

Thermal imaging devices are still prohibitively expensive, and the cheap ones don't function well under extreme condition. You can't just go out and buy lenses for those devices, as they must be designed to fit medium to long IR wavelengths.

Although some "tactical" items are available to the public, the real mil-spec stuff aren't. They can shoot as much ammo they can afford, but as long as they don't get flash grenades, C4 bricks and detonators, they can't really do tactical entry.

Also, those Mexican drug mafia pay a lot to acquire weapons illegally, for things like missing Mexican Army inventory items. They also have link to organizations such as FARC and Cuban government, who will supply them with any items as long as cash is flowing. Few other countries in the region, such as Haiti, are natural heaven for arms/drug/human smugglers. In the end, the governments are the most deadliest arms smugglers themselves.

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Le Zookeeper Yelli 11/7/2009 3:31:36 PM

Gen 2 night vision is ok, the US has so many machinists etc, if India has 40 million illegal weapons, don't u think sympathetic or greedy machinists couldn't make fully automatic conversions right here. I think u r wrong. My assertion is that the US is the easiest place to set up a terrorist camp is true. Look at Mendocino county just north of me. Even the police are allegedly in drug trade. The fact that u can get illegal drugs in US easily again portends that illegal activity in US is easy and convenient to pursue. Given the vastness of the country and the resources a well financed group need not train in Pakistan.

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YelliChink 11/7/2009 3:36:34 PM

is the Christian fundamentalist groups in US, example Timothy McVeigh- they had access to getting bombs - big ones. Islamic groups are a threat, but they can be easily identified.

Anyone in this country, even illegal aliens, can rent a truck with false identity and purchase large quantity of nitric-based fertilizer. It makes perfect sense for people in rural area to do so on the daily basis. He and his friends just know how to make big bomb from nitric-based fertilizer.

You'll be surprised on how easily it is to make bombs. I don't know any detail about making bomb, but since some people have demonstrated it, notably the Mythbusters and authors in Palatine Press, the evil ones sure can repeat the formula.

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