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Subject: Frightening Film on U.S. Terrorism Training Camps
CJH    11/7/2009 12:38:31 PM
I missed this one at the time but just Googled it up after someone mentioned terrorist camps in South Carolina of all places.

Frightening Film on U.S. Terrorism Training Camps
 
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Le Zookeeper    CJH   11/7/2009 1:00:57 PM

I missed this one at the time but just Googled it up after someone mentioned terrorist camps in South Carolina of all places.

Frightening Film on U.S. Terrorism Training Camps


The supply chain for weapons and ammo etc is vastly superior in USA, easily available. Its obvious that besides engineering, and MBAs weapon system training too should be plentiful for students across the world. We got it all from .22s to Automatic assault rifles right next to a grocery store. U should be proud as to what the second amendment now has achieved. Weapon Education for all-no child left behind.
 
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Le Zookeeper    US turning into base for islamo terrorism   11/7/2009 1:07:50 PM
WASHINGTON: A Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) plot to launch new terror attacks in India with the help of two Pakistan-born Chicago men has taken a new turn
with FBI agents recovering two inflammatory al-Qaida videos from the house of one of them.

The videos recovered from the house of Pakistan-born Canadian Tahawwur Hussain Rana, who was arrested last month along with the other accused David Coleman Headley, a Pakistan-born American national, contain speeches by Osama bin Laden and other terrorist leaders.

According to prosecutors, the two were planning attacks on National Defence College in Delhi, Doon School in Dehradun and Woodstock in Mussourie, besides some other facilities at LeT's behest.

Investigators from two Indian intelligence agencies, the Intelligence Bureau (IB) and the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) are in the US to assist the FBI. They want to particularly question Headley, who had made several trips to Pakistan and was in constant touch with LeT leaders.

Federal prosecutors in a supporting affidavit submitted to a Chicago court Friday informed judge Nan R. Nolan about the new videos recovered from the living room of 48-year-old Rana, who has been living in Chicago for nearly a decade.

Produced by As Sahab Media, commonly acknowledged to be the media wing of al-Qaida, one of the videos is titled "Bombing of Denmark Embassy".

The 54-minute video on Denmark "was contained on a DVD recovered from the living room of defendant Rana's home on October 18, 2009", federal prosecutors said.

Narrated by Abu Yahya al-Libi, an al-Qaida spokesman who reportedly escaped from American custody in Afghanistan, it explicitly calls for violent action to retaliate against Denmark for the publication of cartoons of Prophet Mohammad by Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten.

According to the FBI affidavit, the DVD also prominently features the video of the man who carried out a suicide car bombing of the Danish embassy in Islamabad June 2, 2008.

The second "video begins with a speech by Osama bin Laden, and profiles the lives and deaths of four men who were described as having died in the fight on behalf of Islam. The video also included remarks by Mustafa Abu al-Yazid, who appeared on the Denmark video," the affidavit said.

Rana, who is charged with supporting a conspiracy that began in Pakistan in late 2008, has admitted that he and Headley were upset about the cartoons in the Danish newspaper.

Rana Friday submitted a fresh bail application before the court in which he argued that an attack on a newspaper would not qualify as involving or promoting a crime of terrorism.

Federal prosecutors argued that by definition alone Rana's acts meet the criteria of terrorism.
Topics: timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Al-Qaida-videos-recovered-from-LeT-operatives-house-in-US-/articleshow/5207477.cms
 
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CJH       11/7/2009 2:38:59 PM



I missed this one at the time but just Googled it up after someone mentioned terrorist camps in South Carolina of all places.



Frightening Film on U.S. Terrorism Training Camps





The supply chain for weapons and ammo etc is vastly superior in USA, easily available. Its obvious that besides engineering, and MBAs weapon system training too should be plentiful for students across the world. We got it all from .22s to Automatic assault rifles right next to a grocery store. U should be proud as to what the second amendment now has achieved. Weapon Education for all-no child left behind.

Easily available? How do you know that? Have you obtained weapons illegally?
 
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Le Zookeeper       11/7/2009 3:02:33 PM
Most weapons are legally available in South Carolina. Also the Mexican drug cartels seem to buy weapons from here itself. I say of all countries in the world it would be easiest to set up a terrorist training camp in the US as all material is legally available raising minimum eyebrows. The heavy stuff of course is not easily available, as in most places.
 
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Le Zookeeper    What really worries me   11/7/2009 3:06:47 PM
is the Christian fundamentalist groups in US, example Timothy McVeigh- they had access to getting bombs - big ones. Islamic groups are a threat, but they can be easily identified.
 
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Le Zookeeper    Numero uno homegrown terrorist was a Catholic.   11/7/2009 3:10:44 PM
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McVeigh
 
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Zhang Fei       11/7/2009 3:24:11 PM
I say of all countries in the world it would be easiest to set up a terrorist training camp in the US as all material is legally available raising minimum eyebrows.
 
It's not at all easy to set up a terrorist training camp anywhere in the world. All terrorist training camps require sponsorship by the host nation. The simple reason is this - there is no such thing as a training camp that doesn't raise, at minimum, local law enforcement eyebrows. The FBI and BATF are continuously on the prowl looking for radical groups to investigate or infiltrate. The Second Amendment prevents the governmental confiscation of privately-owned guns. It doesn't prevent government investigations of private armies or of plots against citizens.
 
Interestingly enough, the banning of guns in India doesn't seem to have ended the insurgency in Kashmir. The Bombay massacre is proof that Indian gun control serves mainly to help terrorists achieve large body counts. In Pakistan, guns are illegal. Gangsters and jihadists seem to have no problem getting hold of them, though. In fact, the only Pakistanis who aren't armed are the law-abiding citizens routinely killed by criminals and jihadists. 
 
The fact is that most Mexican gangsters get their supplies not from the US but from the Mexican arsenal. Why pay retail when you can get your supplies for the cost of a bribe? They get gang members to enlist, or recruit gang members directly from the military. Once they get the identities of quartermasters, it's no big deal to threaten them or their family members. This is how Mexican gangs use the Mexican military's equipment as their personal armory.
 
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YelliChink       11/7/2009 3:24:49 PM

Most weapons are legally available in South Carolina. Also the Mexican drug cartels seem to buy weapons from here itself. I say of all countries in the world it would be easiest to set up a terrorist training camp in the US as all material is legally available raising minimum eyebrows. The heavy stuff of course is not easily available, as in most places.

You are so wrong on this one, but given your track record on these issues, it doesn't surprise me.
 
Automatic weapons are highly regulated in the US. No new automatic weapons are allowed to transfer to civilian ownership. Only Military, LEO and federally licensed manufacturers are allowed to acquire automatic weapons. All automatic weapons in civilian hands are either old piece prior to 1986 ban, or illegally constructed, imported or stolen. Many of those automatic weapons in civilian hands are collector's items and do not function unless extensively repaired, and price of those weapons are usually 5 digits and up.
 
Explosive devices are also highly regulated, and no grenades, rocket launchers or bangalore torpedoes are allowed for civilian sale unless granted by BATFE individually.
 
Class III body armor are limited for military/LEO purchase only.

No Gen-III night vision devices are available for civilian sale.
 
Thermal imaging devices are still prohibitively expensive, and the cheap ones don't function well under extreme condition. You can't just go out and buy lenses for those devices, as they must be designed to fit medium to long IR wavelengths.
 
Although some "tactical" items are available to the public, the real mil-spec stuff aren't. They can shoot as much ammo they can afford, but as long as they don't get flash grenades, C4 bricks and detonators, they can't really do tactical entry.
 
Also, those Mexican drug mafia pay a lot to acquire weapons illegally, for things like missing Mexican Army inventory items. They also have link to organizations such as FARC and Cuban government, who will supply them with any items as long as cash is flowing. Few other countries in the region, such as Haiti, are natural heaven for arms/drug/human smugglers. In the end, the governments are the most deadliest arms smugglers themselves.
 
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Le Zookeeper    Yelli   11/7/2009 3:31:36 PM
Gen 2 night vision is ok, the US has so many machinists etc, if India has 40 million illegal weapons, don't u think sympathetic or greedy machinists couldn't make fully automatic conversions right here. I think u r wrong. My assertion is that the US is the easiest place to set up a terrorist camp is true. Look at Mendocino county just north of me. Even the police are allegedly in drug trade. The fact that u can get illegal drugs in US easily again portends that illegal activity in US is easy and convenient to pursue. Given the vastness of the country and the resources a well financed group need not train in Pakistan.
 
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YelliChink       11/7/2009 3:36:34 PM

is the Christian fundamentalist groups in US, example Timothy McVeigh- they had access to getting bombs - big ones. Islamic groups are a threat, but they can be easily identified.

Anyone in this country, even illegal aliens, can rent a truck with false identity and purchase large quantity of nitric-based fertilizer. It makes perfect sense for people in rural area to do so on the daily basis. He and his friends just know how to make big bomb from nitric-based fertilizer.
 
You'll be surprised on how easily it is to make bombs. I don't know any detail about making bomb, but since some people have demonstrated it, notably the Mythbusters and authors in Palatine Press, the evil ones sure can repeat the formula.
 
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Le Zookeeper    Some camps in N. America, and I am sure a lot more   11/7/2009 3:44:03 PM
 
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YelliChink       11/7/2009 3:48:55 PM

Gen 2 night vision is ok, the US has so many machinists etc, if India has 40 million illegal weapons, don't u think sympathetic or greedy machinists couldn't make fully automatic conversions right here. I think u r wrong. My assertion is that the US is the easiest place to set up a terrorist camp is true. Look at Mendocino county just north of me. Even the police are allegedly in drug trade. The fact that u can get illegal drugs in US easily again portends that illegal activity in US is easy and convenient to pursue. Given the vastness of the country and the resources a well financed group need not train in Pakistan.

Gen II is still restricted, though not as sensitive, but still very expensive. Gen II doesn't make as good sighting tool as Gen III due to limited magnification and resolution. You have to see it to understand the difference.
 
There is nothing we can do to prevent evil people from using their learned skill to do evil things. If they want to construct their own automatic weapons, they can do it anywhere. But I can tell you that it is foolish to modify a civilian rifle into automatic one. You literally have to rebuild the receiver, the bolt carrier and trigger group, and there is no guarantee that you'll do it right and malfunction-free. It's not as easy as you think. If you are talking about how easily it is to get illegal things in the US, you should check your facts better, because it is easy to get many illegal things in any part of the world if enough cash is supplied via the right link. Marijuana farms in Canada are still largely undisturbed, and Mexican gangs are still fighting for smuggling routes to the US.
 
Like I said, you can buy few guns and some ammo. Get some tactical supply and a piece of land in remote area. Then you collect a bunch of radicals and do some military and martial arts training. You can claim that you are running a terrorist training camp. We'll see how effective your boys are when FBI HRT and BATFE SRT come in from three directions, two on the ground with armor vehicles, and the third one drop from Blackhawk helicopters, in the middle of freaking night.
 
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Zhang Fei       11/7/2009 3:49:55 PM
What really worries me is the Christian fundamentalist groups in US, example Timothy McVeigh- they had access to getting bombs - big ones. Islamic groups are a threat, but they can be easily identified.
 
Christian fundamentalists have been the majority of the population for most of America's history. We have not seen a single religious massacre killing thousands in the way millions of Indian Muslims and Hindus were slaughtered in religious massacres during the partition of India. Christians remain the vast majority of this country's population. Timothy McVeigh was an avowed agnostic, as your Wikipedia link makes clear, and his beef wasn't with the religion of the occupants of the Alfred P. Murrah building - it was with the Federal Government, which he felt was oppressing the American people. On 9/11, Muslim terrorists killed several times more people in one terrorist attack than had been killed in all of the previous terrorist attacks in this nation's history. If the 1993 WTC terror attack (again by Muslim terrorists who professed to be acting on Allah's orders) had succeeded in toppling on WTC tower upon another, 50,000 people would have been killed in one go.
 
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Le Zookeeper    ZF   11/7/2009 3:58:24 PM

US has seen the civil war due to social reasons- slavery, the Hindu Moslem bloodfest in India still is prevalent, but not in major urban areas(intepret-educated). And yes there have been mutinies and such shootouts in most armies. But the issue was setting up a terrorist paintball camp is still easier than most realize -right here in the US. ANd it seems to be increasing. And Obama's key concern initially was the domestic right wing Christian terrorist, and is still the #1 homegrown terror threat today.
 
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YelliChink       11/7/2009 4:11:44 PM

US has seen the civil war due to social reasons- slavery, the Hindu Moslem bloodfest in India still is prevalent, but not in major urban areas(intepret-educated). And yes there have been mutinies and such shootouts in most armies. But the issue was setting up a terrorist paintball camp is still easier than most realize -right here in the US. ANd it seems to be increasing. And Obama's key concern initially was the domestic right wing Christian terrorist, and is still the #1 homegrown terror threat today.



 
 
And Falung Gong is the threat Numero Uno to commies in China.
 
 
 
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