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Subject: Frustrated burglars fire shot through door, kill unarmed woman
Zhang Fei    11/6/2009 4:41:23 PM
I've heard of homeowners having to make the decision to shoot, but this is the first time I've heard of a burglar firing... unprovoked through a door:
Deputies say a 911 call came too late to save the life of a 19-year-old who was shot during an attempted home burglary in northwest Harris County Friday afternoon. Jubelle Sarano's boyfriend drove to her house in the 2500 block of South Camden Parkway after she called to tell him someone was trying to break into her house. When a door knock went unanswered, he called 911 to report what he was told. But by the time deputies arrived at the home, they found Lone Star College student shot to death and her unharmed 6-year-old sister lying by her side. Neighbors told detectives they heard what sounded like a hammer hitting a piece of plywood. Detectives said after two suspects couldn't break into the house, at least one of them fired gunshots through the back door. The then suspects fled the scene. Witnesses described the suspects as two young Black males who were both wearing white shirts and or jackets and blue denim pants. The 6-year-old girl was taken to downtown Houston to be interviewed by investigators.
 
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Le Zookeeper    Caliber restriction a good idea?   11/6/2009 4:49:05 PM
along with automatic weapons ban- how about .380 max size - 6 magazine max size. Already CA shotguns are 3 rounds max.
 
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Hamilcar       11/6/2009 4:53:27 PM
If there were bullets headed the other way at the burglars............?
  
 

 
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Zhang Fei       11/6/2009 5:01:05 PM
Caliber restriction a good idea? along with automatic weapons ban- how about .380 max size - 6 magazine max size. Already CA shotguns are 3 rounds max.
 
Crooks can always get weapons. The only way a weapons ban might work is if it were coupled with an automatic 15 year prison term for the possession of a weapon, and an automatic death penalty for the discharge of a weapon in the course of committing a crime. The alternative is Indian style lawlessness.
 
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Le Zookeeper    ZFEI   11/6/2009 5:06:12 PM

Caliber restriction a good idea? along with automatic weapons ban- how about .380 max size - 6 magazine max size. Already CA shotguns are 3 rounds max.

 

Crooks can always get weapons. The only way a weapons ban might work is if it were coupled with an automatic 15 year prison term for the possession of a weapon, and an automatic death penalty for the discharge of a weapon in the course of committing a crime. The alternative is Indian style lawlessness.



Indian style lawlessness- which one - major cities in INdia have very little murderous rampages -if ever-max caliber legally allowed for self defence is .32 after license to possess, and if you mean Indian reservations, there too its low. Gun violence is pecularly an American phenomenon primarily due to availability of guns. Obviously hardcore terrorists and criminals are difficult to stop anywhere, but such flare-ups as Orlando, and Ft Hood(this is tuff as its military personnel, Ninja warrior or Men who stare at goats would be an option- bad joke I know).
 
 
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YelliChink       11/6/2009 5:18:32 PM


Indian style lawlessness- which one - major cities in INdia have very little murderous rampages -if ever-max caliber legally allowed for self defence is .32 after license to possess, and if you mean Indian reservations, there too its low. Gun violence is pecularly an American phenomenon primarily due to availability of guns. Obviously hardcore terrorists and criminals are difficult to stop anywhere, but such flare-ups as Orlando, and Ft Hood(this is tuff as its military personnel, Ninja warrior or Men who stare at goats would be an option- bad joke I know).

 


Gun crime is a myth, only due to publicity of the media. The problem is not guns, it's drug street gangs.
 
And, it's also a myth that big cities in India is gun-crime free:
timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Gun-culture-booming-in-trigger-happy-Delhi/articleshow/5201490.cms
 
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The seizure made this year by Delhi Police has also shown a spiral in illegal firearms seized ^ 300 this year as compared to 230 weapons last year, till October 15. Apart from providing firearms, the cops say that they are facing hurdles to stop the flow of ammunition. "The problem is due to easy availability of guns, both licensed and unlicensed,'' says an official at Control Arms Foundation of India (CAFI). 
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www.centralchronicle.com/viewnews.asp?articleID=18473
 
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As many as 65 illegal gun factories have been unearthed in this crime-prone central Bihar district this year and a huge cache of arms, ammunition and gun-making materials recovered from there to the astonishment of senior officials.
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Le Zookeeper    Yelli   11/6/2009 5:24:29 PM
Delhi has 10million population 300 illegal guns do not make a pandemic. There are 300 population towns in US with 300 guns. And the other state u mention Bihar is a disgrace to lawlessness and the country. Thats an outright mafia state. But cities like Mimbai, Delhi . Bangalore, etc are safe from random gun violence.
 
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YelliChink       11/6/2009 5:36:16 PM

Delhi has 10million population 300 illegal guns do not make a pandemic. There are 300 population towns in US with 300 guns. And the other state u mention Bihar is a disgrace to lawlessness and the country. Thats an outright mafia state. But cities like Mimbai, Delhi . Bangalore, etc are safe from random gun violence.
www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006"04"02"story_2-4-2006_pg7_11
 
India home to 40 million illegal small-arms
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Don't worry, India is a very populous country. It just takes a few more decades for thugs in Bihar to catch up with demand.
 
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Zhang Fei       11/6/2009 5:47:39 PM
Indian style lawlessness- which one - major cities in INdia have very little murderous rampages
 
The number of people killed in all murders stateside is a fraction of the number of deaths from traffic accidents. Maybe we should ban cars. The reason most of the murders in the US involve guns is because guns are available - if they weren't, knives, axes and other implements would serve. India has a similar murder rate (the official murder rate is about half, but if you add in all the unofficial ones, India is probably similar, if not higher), despite the fact that all they have to work with is knives and homemade guns (anybody with a lathe* can make one). Nobody wants to hear it, but the reason we have a much higher murder rate than the European countries is because of blacks and Hispanics, who commit 80% or more of the (mostly intra-racial/-ethnic) murders, despite being 20% of the population.
 
* Guns aren't particularly high tech - anyone with mid-19th century technology can make a revolver. And modern gunpowder is not particularly difficult to mix.
 
Here's an amusing story... published in 2002:

The Philadelphia Daily News? August 22 front-page story (mysteriously missing from its website) printed the photographs of 15 of the 41 people who have outstanding homicide warrants in the Philadelphia area. They were all visible minorities. Race, as I wrote recently, is no longer mentioned in crime stories, but photographs are sometimes allowed to tell their own story.

Not any more. Seeing all those minority suspects produced an instant reaction in the multicultural community. They acted as if they?d been the victims of a blood libel.

A quickie coalition sprang up, headed by a black PR expert named A. Bruce Crawley, (crawley-haskins@worldnet.att.net). It demanded the resignation of the editorial staff. (Coalition calls for editors' resignations, Aug. 30, 2002) Whenever that happens, there is a serious danger that management will roll over and play dead, firing the reporter or editor involved.

The coalition included Charles Bowser, a local politician whose resume includes ?Investigation of KYW-TV attacks on Black Leaders,? and Imam Shamsud-Din Ali, who, a month after the September 11th attacks, was leading a panel discussion called "Shattering the Peace: Understanding the Roots of the Sept. 11 Attacks". He?s a spokesman for a Black Muslim organization called the Majlis Ash-Shura (Council of Wise Men), which has objected to the use of the term ?Muslim? to describe the Muslim terrorists of 9/11.

The Imam was quoted as saying that the Daily News was not only racist, but also anti-Philadelphia. I don?t know what he meant by anti-Philadelphia. Maybe the paper has been writing that life is better, or at least longer, in the suburbs.

Daily News editor Ellen Foley (foleye@phillynews.com) issued an apology:

?The cover of our paper last Thursday carried mugshots of 15 of 41 suspects. They were African-American, Hispanic or Asian. These 41 were identified by the Police Department's Homicide Unit as suspects for whom murder warrants have been issued. There were no white people who were being sought for murder. [emphasis added]?

Bill Bergstrom of the Associated Press quoted Editor Zack Stalberg (

 
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Le Zookeeper       11/7/2009 11:05:13 AM
So what need is there to sell this FN 5 7 or whatever that Major Hasan bought privately in a store in Kileen. It has a 20 round magazine, low recoild can penetrate Kevlar. Something u think every home should come with? Caliber control is a good start for handguns/also magazine size limitations.
 
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warpig       11/7/2009 11:54:34 AM

So what need is there to sell this FN 5 7 or whatever that Major Hasan bought privately in a store in Kileen. It has a 20 round magazine, low recoild can penetrate Kevlar. Something u think every home should come with? Caliber control is a good start for handguns/also magazine size limitations.


I was trying to just ignore your absurd, boneheaded ramblings, and even resisted the urge to suggest to others to do likewise but now I feel compelled to point out that:
 
5.7mm IS .22 CALIBER, YOU MORON.
 
What do you suggest, banning everything SMALLER than .25cal, or ,32cal, or .380cal?!?
 
On the subject of firearms, self-defense, the 2nd Amendment, etc., you are ignorant and reveal your limitations with each post.  Please do us all a favor and refrain from further demonstration of the same.
 
 
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