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sentinel28a 11/8/2009 9:03:44 PM

You know, Nan, I always thought I lived in America--where I am judged for my actions, not for those of my great-grandfather. (Who was Cherokee, but never mind.) Instead I'm to be judged harshly for the actions of Hernando Cortes against those wonderful guys the Aztecs--you neglect to mention the fact that Cortes was assisted by other tribes who got tired of watching their people slaughtered for Aztec amusement, I might add--and for Pizarro and his actions with the Incas. None of whom were even American and whose actions were so harsh later that the Church itself told the Spanish empire to knock it off.

And we all know the Indians never, ever committed atrocities, but lived in peace with the unicorns and the coyote before Columbus showed up and ruined everything. Maybe your solution is for everyone to move back to Ur of the Chaldees and to practice mercantilism since capitalism is so evil and wrong.

Well, Nan, here are my solutions:

1) Quit shopping at all corporations, raise your own food, and get off the internet (since it's run by evil corporations too).

2) Since you despise this country so much, move.

3) Go troll somewhere else. The mental 5-year olds at Fark should love you. The adults here would like to have a conversation without having to deal with you tinfoil helmet "HUR HUR CHRISTIANS ARE BAD MMKAY" bullshit. Especially when the topic (a shooting at Ft. Hood that had nothing to do with Christianity) has nothing to do with your hangup against Christians.

You've been reported to Sysops for trolling. I don't know if they'll do anything about you, but I for one am damn tired of your attention whoring.

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Nanheyangrouchuan 11/8/2009 9:53:48 PM

"I always thought I lived in America--where I am judged for my actions, not for those of my great-grandfather. (Who was Cherokee, but never mind.) Instead I'm to be judged harshly for the actions of Hernando Cortes against those wonderful guys the Aztecs--you neglect to mention the fact that Cortes was assisted by other tribes who got tired of watching their people slaughtered for Aztec amusement, I might add--and for Pizarro and his actions with the Incas. None of whom were even American and whose actions were so harsh later that the Church itself told the Spanish empire to knock it off."

Well, I was asked for examples of Christianity's bad behavior so I provided some. Many, many bad things have been done in the name of Christianity. Spill your hurt feelings to SYSOPS, they know I am right. I can also mention Christianity's laws against the Jews in Europe. Not allowed to engage in any business except lending money tends to foster excellence in the field of lending money. And then more right wing wackos concoct stories about "Jewish bankers".

Bad, bad christianity.

As for the shootings, I never mentioned Christianity until everyone started chiming about Islam being behind this atrocity. Not that the guy was mentally unfit for combat or that he was constantly being taunted for converting to Islam, which might fuel his instability even more.

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Hamilcar 11/8/2009 10:29:48 PM

We can certainly count the millions of Aztecs, Inca and North American tribes slaughtered by the Spanish and the "Manifest Destiny", in the name of Christianity.

Manifestn Destiny was an ex-post facto AMERICAN term coined by the American newspaperman John O'Sullivan that he used to justify the annexation of Texas in 1848. It was later used by American historians to describe Euro-American migration into range that was largely unexploited and unpopulated except by nomadic hunter gatherers dependent on a key animal and a few small clusters of neolithic native American agricultural communities. There was government policy to support this migration. (Homestead Act) To parallel what happened then, we should look at the Han immigration into Russian Siberia NOW. Its a movement of a group into a new largely unpopulated range that they found bext to them as they overburden their own range. The fact that the biologicals are Human is bound to lead to massacres, pillage, and other regrettable violent incidents (war). Not unexpected, but by and large the intrusion was and should be peaceful as it is a group migration.that is normal for Humans.

And how many muslims currently serve in the US military in good standing? We seem to be doing fairly well training Iraqis to fight other muslims as well.

The Americans found a pre-existing condition of fractured tribes and picked which ones were cooperative and recruited from and supported those "friendly" tribes.

That tradition goes back through a couple of hundred of years' American experience. This is nothing new. What is new, is relearning that you cannot rely in the loyalty of thr occasional traitor(s) who enlist(s) in your cause to betray you, that you mist profile for loyalty, and deal harshly with those who seek to enlist under false colors.

But many of the posters here would paint a templar flag on the uniforms of our military and go forth in the name of holy war, slaughtering those who won't convert and paving the way for consumer corporations to plant their flags and enslave the surivors and new evangelical converts.

Been watching the History Channel? Seriously, you don't believe that the Free Masons (Templars under new management) founded the United States to wage a global crusade in the name of Pepsi Cola?

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appleciderus 11/8/2009 10:33:56 PM

He was converted? Didn't we all see a TV interview with his palestinian uncle or cousin or other blood relative? Oh wait! Perhaps his palestinian blood relative was a Coptic Christian. After all, Coptic Christians are of Egyptian origin and didn't Egypt annex Gaza (palestien)once?

The guy was a nut job. An islamic nut job. Supported by islamic clerics who hide behind our Constitutional protections in order to destroy our Constitution.

The tragedy is the majority of muslims who shrug their shoulders, acknowleldge terror is will of allah, instead of resisting and abolishing radicalism. They don't commit acts of terror, they accept acts of terror.

As does Nanni.

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EvilFishy 11/9/2009 2:25:31 AM

Why is it a near universal law that the people who know the least do the most talking?

I am half expecting to read a rant about the Christian Adolf Hitler slaughtered tens of millions of people!

Having read the Bible and the Quran, I can tell you with confidence which is the word of God that teaches to love thy enemy, give food and water to he who is thirsty and which is the word of a despotic, satanic, child-molesting, warmongering thug that plagues this planet to this very day.

The mercies of the wicked are cruel indeed!

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buzzard 11/9/2009 11:08:41 AM

Nan citing examples of Christians committing no-nos from 100+ years ago and using that as a cover for Muslims slaughtering people now is about par for the course.

He's just demonstrating another area of ignorance he's happy to crow about. We've seen it in his grasp of environmental science, politics, and economics. Why would religion buck the trend?

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doggtag and...one more step in the worst direction 11/9/2009 11:43:04 AM

As if things weren't bad enough...

Radical imam praises alleged Fort Hood shooter

By PAMELA HESS, Associated Press Writer Pamela Hess, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON ? The personal Web site for a radical American imam living in Yemen who had contact with two 9/11 hijackers is praising alleged Fort Hood shooter Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan as a hero.

The posting Monday on the Web site for Anwar al Awlaki, who was a spiritual leader at two mosques where three 9/11 hijackers worshipped, said American Muslims who condemned the attacks on the Texas military base last week are hypocrites who have committed treason against their religion.

Two U.S. intelligence officials told The Associated Press the Web site was Al Awlaki's. They spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence collection.

Anwar said the only way a Muslim can justify serving in the U.S. military is if he intends to "follow in the footsteps of men like Nidal."

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Right now,

I'm mentally listening to that Van Halen song, "Right Now" and remembering how

the video showed all the "Right now,..." messages at the bottom...

(I like Wiki's take on it...: "The song reflects on living for the moment and not being afraid of making a change.")

Right now, someone in Yemen needs to have a serious "accident".

('cause we all know the streets in those third world countries are completely safe to travel...)

Right now, there's probably at least a quarter million (and building) US military personnel willing to personally go there and see to it.

(Right now, maybe a few more governments can quietly agree...)

Right now, maybe it's time for a lot more muslims to decide once and for all if this is how they want their religion viewed by the rest of the world...

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warpig 11/9/2009 12:04:36 PM

Well, I was asked for examples of Christianity's bad behavior so I provided some.

Really? Were you really?

Quote the post that "asked for examples of Christianity's bad behavior."

You are psychotic in your hatred of Christianity, Christians, corporations, conservatives, and Republicans. You are far worse of a troll than someone like BW who uncritically attempts to support something he likes; you blindly attempt to smear something you hate.

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timon_phocas 11/9/2009 4:10:37 PM

Nany,

The most impressive people I have known have been soldiers of Christ.

There was the couple I met in college. Computers were revolutionizing American society. They could have joined a company and had a prosperous comfortable life in a pleasant suburb. Instead they went to Papua New Guinea and befriended a tribe in a remote valley. They used philological tools to construct a dictionary and grammar for their unwritten tongue. Then they made an alphabet and translated the Bible and other books into that language.

This took seven years. In the middle of this, at a village celebration, a tree fell on the wife, crippling her. They came back to the states for a year, and then returned to the tribe until their task was complete, because they loved their friends and loved their work.

There was the Physician?s Assistant I met in Spokane. He could have made a very handsome living in US medicine; and had enough time left over to go golfing almost as much as our esteemed President. Instead he went to a missionary hospital in Africa, working incredible hours for almost no money, giving first rate medical care to anybody who asked; and asking nothing in return.

There are my friends in Pioneer Missions. Couples who work for them are sent to remote villages in Central and South America. They are encouraged by the governments there because they are recognized as peerless workers for the development of these villages. They build churches (of course), schools, clinics and airstrips. They are given training as agronomists, educators and clinicians. They partner with, and work under the direction of, local churches to meet pressing needs.

These are just a few of the most impressive people I know. These are soldiers of Christ. These are heroes of Christianity. Not one of them was given weapons and sent forth ?conquering and to conquer.? Not one of them was encouraged to violence in any way. Not in our Scriptures. Not in our churches. Not in our theological seminaries.

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sentinel28a 11/9/2009 5:40:51 PM

Well, I agree with you in one thing, Nan: the guy was mentally unfit.

Shall we go over some more evidence?

1) Nasan was an Army psychiatrist, yet he's mentally unfit for combat--and treating guys who have actually been in combat. Anyone else see a problem with this? Bueller?

2) This poor mistreated man decided to try and convert his patients to Islam, something he was warned not to do. (Strangely enough, the Army doesn't seem to have evangelical Christians doing this.)

3) Our same victim here started going to a mosque run by a radical imam--one also frequented by the 9/11 hijackers. Instead of listening to one sermon from this nut and walking out, Nasan stays...and likes what he hears.

4) In fact, he likes what he hears so much he tries to contact al-Qaeda itself. Last I heard, that was called treason.

5) Finally, unable to deal with the fact that he might have to go to Iraq and actually help the evil infidel country he calls home, he decides his best bet at those 72 virgins is to go and kill as many of his fellow soldiers as he can.

But hey, Nasan is just a poor victim. If only he hadn't been picked on for being Islamic (for which I would like to see some evidence), this would've never have happened. And if only some Jew had ever showed Hitler kindness, there would've never been a Holocaust.

Oh wait. Some Jews did show kindness to Hitler, by buying his paintings and recommending him for the Iron Cross. Just as I'm sure some evil, rotten, no-good Christians showed kindness to Nasan somewhere along the line. Certainly a few showed him too much kindness--because they were afraid of being called racists if they reported a nutcase mumbling the tenets of radical Islam.

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