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Subject: Shooting in Ft. Bragg
Nanheyangrouchuan    11/5/2009 5:43:11 PM
Had to be two guys of Arabic descent just to make things worse.
 
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FJV    Remembered something   11/11/2009 1:39:28 PM
I was reminded about this article:
 
"http://www.danielpipes.org/1322/finding-moderate-muslims-do-you-believe-in-modernity"

"http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/10/finding-moderate-muslims-more-questions"

PS
For a Saudi you could ask "what do you think of Shiites?".
 
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appleciderus       11/11/2009 5:55:33 PM

How do we vet their loyalty?

 

A start could be to look at their wife and see if the husband insists on them wearing a headscarf.

 



It seems to me we have three choices
 
1. Vet no muslim for fear of offending PC, CAIR, and terrorists. That is what we did here.
 
2. Vet every muslim in the military, probably the right thing to do.
 
3. Or, vet those who demonstrate mental instability, hatred of the US, attempt to contact AQ, support for the Palestinians, support for the Taliban. That might duplicate number two above.
 
I remember a friend graduated from HS in 1957 and was appointed to the Coast Guard Academy. The FBI was at my door asking questions before he ever attended a class.
 
Madness!
 
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sentinel28a       11/11/2009 6:07:04 PM

Problem is, in this care the guy was single. Of course the talking heads on TV are using this as another excuse "He was so lonely"

Gimme a break.  I was feeling a little down and lonely last night too, but I didn't decide to grab my trusty Remington and go shoot the hell out my college.  I stuck Grand Theft Auto into my computer and committed genocide on the poor people of Vice City, like most guys my age.
 
They just don't want to admit the fact that's staring them in the face: radical Islamic mosques tend to spawn radical Islamic killers.
 

 
 
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PlatypusMaximus       11/11/2009 6:31:26 PM
No Taliban in that game either. I'm so tired of killing Nazis and Russians.
 
I'm waiting for Call From Duty 2.
...where the antagonist is a returning combat veteran who rejects federal authority over state or local authority and may be dedicate to single issues, such as abortion, immigration or the 2nd Amendment.
 
...either that or an AQ sympathizer.
 
...tomato, tomatto.
 
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Jimme       11/12/2009 12:52:29 AM
What I want to know is if Obama is going to have the balls to sign the death warrant after this piece of crap is eventually convicted? This case screams for capitol punishment and this guy was caught dead to right so there should be no moral qualms over it. I really hope we don't hear the "show mercy" "we are better then that" " a time for understanding""lets not send the wrong message" BS when it come time for it.
 
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Panther    This reminds me of something...   11/12/2009 3:21:45 AM
Funny, i was just reading a book about the Oklahoma City bombings and upon my reflection from the past, i did notice then  how strangely quick the press was to demonize Mr. McViegh for his actions and beliefs, and quite rightly so, seeing that my own countrymen were slaughtered in this tragedy; But also probably because there was a democrat in the white house leaving any further scrutiny as being seen as unwarranted for our supposed government watchdog press? So perhaps there is still a lot more to the story that has not yet  been discussed?
 
But........ oh well hell.... be a radical Muslim who believes they can slaughter hundreds of thousands of people, most of them innocents, and without accountability and nobody will dare say a damn thing too your face! Gotta love our press... Give mass murdering shitbags the benefit of the doubt, but damn all the rest of us in a heartbeat!!!
 

What I want to know is if Obama is going to have the balls to sign the death warrant after this piece of crap is eventually convicted? This case screams for capitol punishment and this guy was caught dead to right so there should be no moral qualms over it. I really hope we don't hear the "show mercy" "we are better then that" " a time for understanding""lets not send the wrong message" BS when it come time for it.

No he probably won't get the death penalty, but probably a medal or something for an act of stupidity and absolute cowardice? WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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sentinel28a       11/12/2009 3:45:22 AM
Oh, I don't know.  Seems like a win-win situation to me.
 
1) Hasan gets the death penalty.  Having been tried in a military court, we can only hope he doesn't get something like lethal injection and instead gets a noose or a bullet.  Something that he can see coming.
 
2) Hasan gets life in prison...in Leavenworth.  How long do you think he would last before a few inmates decide to hold a sock party?  With the soap replaced by bricks and the guards finding something insanely interesting in the opposite direction?
 
3) Hasan gets sent to Supermax.  23 hours a day underground, no contact with anyone but his guards, if that.  If he thought he was lonely before...I don't mind hearing about someone rot very slowly, since we don't do gibbets anymore.
 
 
 
 
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YelliChink       11/12/2009 1:07:22 PM
What? Murder charges and no hate crime charges? You must be freaking kidding me!
 
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doggtag    13 counts,...or 14?   11/12/2009 3:29:24 PM

Oh, I don't know.  Seems like a win-win situation to me.

 

1) Hasan gets the death penalty.  Having been tried in a military court, we can only hope he doesn't get something like lethal injection and instead gets a noose or a bullet.  Something that he can see coming....

...in the latest news,
 
(from Associated Press)

FORT HOOD, Texas - The Army psychiatrist suspected in a deadly rampage at Fort Hood, Texas, has been charged in a military court with 13 counts of premeditated murder.

U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command spokesman Chris Grey told a news conference Thursday at the Texas base that additional charges may also be filed against Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan.

Hasan is suspected of killing 12 soldiers and one civilian in last Thursday's shooting spree at Fort Hood. He was shot and wounded by two police officers at the base, and remains in recovery at an Army hospital in San Antonio. His attorney says he was read the charges at the hospital.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

WASHINGTON (AP) --- Military officials say the Army psychiatrist accused of killing 13 and wounding 29 in last week's shooting rampage at his military post in Texas will face 13 charges of premeditated murder under the military's legal system. The decision makes him eligible for the death penalty if convicted.

A formal announcement about the charges against Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan is expected later Thursday. Two U.S. military officials described the charges to the AP on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak about the case publicly.

The officials said it is not yet decided whether to charge Hasan with a 14th count of murder related to the death of the unborn child of a pregnant shooting victim.
(end)
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Well, for the death penalty, we could borrow from the pages of his own religion, and let the victims' familes stone his ass to death.
 
Not that there certainly aren't several thousand US servicemembers who wouldn't hesitate to volunteer to be on this animal's firing squad....
(Hey, maybe we could once and for all demonstrate just how effective 5.56mm M4s are on warmongering islamic baby-killers!)
 
On the bright side, it's doubtful that very people lost any sleep over the DC sniper's recent execution....
 
We have to face it: no matter how much some people want to believe every person of ill intent deserves a chance at repentance, reformation, and rehabilitation, some people will continue to prove they just aren't fit for humanity.
Overcrowding prisons with lifers who'll get no parole isn't a solution.
In these instances of such brutal outright intended slaughter of the innocent, how can anyone not justify the death penalty?
 
...or perhaps we just over-medicate them into a comatose vegetative state for the rest of their pointless existence, at taxpayer expense? 
 
We can talk all the precautionary and hopefully-preventive measures we want,
but we still need a fitting punishment for when crimes of this magnitude occur.
 
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appleciderus       11/12/2009 5:10:48 PM

If the punishment is to be a deterrent to the extent it would prevent other islamic fanatics rushing to their virgins, raisins, or whatever, then I suggest the law dictate that all those convicted of terror in the name of islam be sewn into the skin of a pig and then hung.

 

No paradise, no virgins, no raisins, no more terrorists.
 
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Hamilcar    Just feed them a ham sandwich.   11/13/2009 2:27:02 AM








If the punishment is to be a deterrent to the extent it would
prevent other islamic fanatics rushing to their virgins, raisins, or whatever,
then I suggest the law dictate that all those convicted of terror in the name
of islam be sewn into the skin of a pig and then hung.


 


No paradise, no virgins, no raisins, no more terrorists.

laced with arsenic. Its cheaper.
 
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PlatypusMaximus    NYT   11/13/2009 8:17:31 PM
"...Representative Michael McCaul, a ranking member on the Homeland Security Intelligence Subcommittee, said he had confirmed reports that Major Hasan had been communicating with someone in Pakistan, but declined to give any details about the source of the information. The Dallas Morning News reported earlier that investigators were examining whether Major Hasan had wired money abroad.

?In addition to the e-mails to the imam in Yemen, I have confirmed through independent sources that there were communications and wire transfers made to Pakistan,? Mr. McCaul said in a statement. ?This Pakistan connection just raises more red flags about this case and demonstrates why it?s important for Congress to exercise its oversight authority.?

The disparity between Major Hasan?s income and his lifestyle has led to questions about how he spent his money. As an Army major with more than a dozen years of service, Major Hasan earns about $92,000, but he rented a $350-a-month apartment in a run-down neighborhood here and drove a 2006 Honda Civic."
 
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appleciderus       11/13/2009 9:04:48 PM
I expect we will not know every thing there is to know of this terrorist until a new administration is in place, and perhaps by then, much evidence will have been ...Sandy Burger-ized.
 
I am impressed how quickly this administration got the mass media into lock step attempting to deny this act of islamic terror. 
 
More impressive is how quickly the administration and mass media were exposed.
 
The next 12 months will pass agonizingly slowly, especially slowly as we watch the mass murderers of 9/11  go to trial in NY.
 
How is it that those democratic politicians who subjugate the US Constitution to international law insist on extending the protections of the US Constitution to non-citizens whose announced goal is to destroy our Constitution? 
 
Madness! 11/2010 cannot come soon enough!
 
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Green Dragon    Death Penalty   11/13/2009 10:53:37 PM
I'm curious if a point about the death penalty can be cleared up for me as I am Australian.
 
The last reports I heard were that Major Nidal Malik Hasan was now a paraplegic and I have absolutely no problem with that.
 
Does his current physical condition exclude capital punishment on the grounds of cruel or unusual punishment or any other grounds?
 
I am curious either way as I think our treatment of Martin Bryant (the d!ckhead from Port Arthur, Tasmania, mid-90's) who was sentenced to life imprisonment without parole was the most appropriate sentence that could be handed down.
 
It was learned that Bryants motive for that mass murder was a desire for infamy. A jounalist whose name I can't recall, interviewed Bryant and learnt this. The journalist made the better part of his living by interviewing notorious criminals after their imprisonment and subsequently publishing their stories. In Bryant's case after interviewing him, he was so disgusted that he decided that the worst punishment he could inflict was to neither write or publish a word and leave the bastard to rot.
 
Noone since has attempted to interview Bryant or publicise his story and every now and then reports will surface that he has been transferred to hospital after another failed suicide attempt.
 
Life in prison is expensive for the tax payer but I understand that a death penalty appeals process is expensive as well.
 
So even if he does qualify for the death penalty, as a cost-benefit would it be worth it?
 
I am not being callous to the survivors of the dead or of the wounded in querying the validity of a death penalty and suggesting the alternative of life imprisonment without parole, I am however interested in the legal aspects of applying the death penalty to (for want of a better word) a cripple.
 
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Hamilcar    Moral question.   11/13/2009 11:53:14 PM

I'm curious if a point about the death penalty can be cleared up for me as I am Australian.

 

The last reports I heard were that Major Nidal Malik Hasan was now a paraplegic and I have absolutely no problem with that.

 

Does his current physical condition exclude capital punishment on the grounds of cruel or unusual punishment or any other grounds?

 

I am curious either way as I think our treatment of Martin Bryant (the d!ckhead from Port Arthur, Tasmania, mid-90's) who was sentenced to life imprisonment without parole was the most appropriate sentence that could be handed down.

 

It was learned that Bryants motive for that mass murder was a desire for infamy. A journalist whose name I can't recall, interviewed Bryant and learnt this. The journalist made the better part of his living by interviewing notorious criminals after their imprisonment and subsequently publishing their stories. In Bryant's case after interviewing him, he was so disgusted that he decided that the worst punishment he could inflict was to neither write or publish a word and leave the bastard to rot.

 

No one since has attempted to interview Bryant or publicise his story and every now and then reports will surface that he has been transferred to hospital after another failed suicide attempt.

 

Life in prison is expensive for the tax payer but I understand that a death penalty appeals process is expensive as well.

 

So even if he does qualify for the death penalty, as a cost-benefit would it be worth it?

 

I am not being callous to the survivors of the dead or of the wounded in querying the validity of a death penalty and suggesting the alternative of life imprisonment without parole, I am however interested in the legal aspects of applying the death penalty to (for want of a better word) a cripple.

And by your Socratic method very well argued in merit. There is a lot to be said for life imprisonment except that in our crazy prison system he has legal RIGHTS-including the right to communicate and proselytize to the outside world Unfortunately as a rational man, I am savage enough to want to wrap Hasan in bacon and seat him in a chair and Westinghouse him.  That takes care of his "rights" in our crazy legal system as far as we are concerned and ends him as a living recruiting tool and cause celebre'.
 
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