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Subject: Shooting in Ft. Bragg
Nanheyangrouchuan    11/5/2009 5:43:11 PM
Had to be two guys of Arabic descent just to make things worse.
 
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Zhang Fei       11/6/2009 8:23:11 PM
"Overseas, you are ready for it. But here, you can't even defend yourself," said Jerry Richard, a Fort Hood solider who was nearby when Major Nidal Hasan went on his shooting rampage.

What do the Pentagon bureaucrats have to say about that? If soliders on this base had been allowed to carry the weapons they use overseas, the service weapons they train with, Hasan would have been able to shoot perhaps one or two people, not 41. (As of this writing, 13 are dead, 28 wounded.)

"It's a tragedy to lose soldiers overseas and even more horrifying when they come under fire at an Army base on U.S. soil," said President Obama.

Indeed. How ironic: Survive Iraq or Afghanistan then get picked off like a game bird in a bland, institutional "Soldier Readiness Center" in Texas.

Soldiers in other countries are allowed to carry arms on base and even when they are off-duty. In Israel, for instance, soldiers are issued a rifle and then . . . it's theirs. One sees slender 18-year-old girls, traveling from base, home to the suburbs for Shabbat dinner, still slung with a massive M-16 rifle almost as big as they are. The prevelance of arms doesn't mean the country experiences the kind of random mass murders seen in the United States. It means that the few times someone has gone crazy with a gun in a city street, he was taken down fast by bystanders.

But not American soldiers. When asked if ordinary soldiers nearby had been carrying their service weapons, Fort Hood spokesman Lt. Gen Robert Cone said piously, "We do not carry weapons. This is our home." Defense is out-sourced to military police, or even — oh the indignity! — to civilian policemen.

This is not the first time American soldiers have been victims of politically correct policies. In 2000, Navy brass were so concerned about appearing to be "sensitive guests" in Yemen's Port of Aden, that sailors patrolling the deck of the U.S.S. Cole were not allowed to carry loaded weapons. The ship did not deploy "picket boats" and establish a perimeter. In other words, the destroyer was totally unprotected when a small motorized skiff packed with explosives steered by two men, now believed to have been al-Qaeda, plowed into it's hull, killing 17.

Even two hours after the attack, as the wounded ship listed in the harbor, sentries spotted yet another small skiff motoring deliberately toward the them. One of them raised his rifle and aimed, not to shoot them — he couldn't have — but in the spirit (as he told Navy Times) of "Nobody's getting near this ship." Almost immediately, his superior told him, "Let me tell you somthing about the rules of engagement. You can't point a loaded weapon at these people. That's an act of aggression."

The U.S. military would like to pretend it's not about defense and aggression, and it's sacrificed many young men and women to maintain this fiction. How many more victims of political correctness can we afford?
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       11/6/2009 8:55:57 PM
Yeah, the Air Force has it right in shoving evangelicalism down everyone's throat.
 
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Hamilcar    Who is Police Sgt. Munley?   11/6/2009 9:56:22 PM
 

[quote]From The Times
November 7, 2009
The mother who brought down the Fort Hood killer
Chris Ayres in Fort Hood, Texas

Kimberly Munley - female civilian officer who shot Major Nidal Malik Hasan during US army base massacre in Fort Hood, Texas

(Taken from Twitter)

Kimberly Munley

A police officer and mother of one was hailed a heroine yesterday after it emerged that she almost single handedly ended the massacre at America?s biggest military base.

Kimberly Munley does not look as if she would be much of a match for a heavily armed US soldier on a murderous rampage. But the slightly built 34-year-old civilian officer was first on the scene after Major Nidal Malik Hasan began firing on comrades at Ford Hood in Texas as they prepared to deploy to Afghanistan and Iraq. The 39-year-old psychologist killed 13 and left 31 others with serious injuries.

On Thursday afternoon Ms Munley was doing her usual job of directing traffic on the sprawling base. By chance, she and her partner happened to walk past the Soldiers? Readiness Processing Centre soon after Major Hasan — armed with two handguns — cornered his fellow soldiers. Soldiers who witnessed the rampage described the gunfire as continuous, methodical and well aimed.

Ms Munley succeeded in bringing him down by shooting him four times, even after being hit by a bullet that passed through both her legs, according to witnesses.
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Her swift reaction and courage were being praised last night for preventing many more deaths.

?It was an amazing and aggressive performance by this police officer,? said Lieutenant-General Robert Cone, Fort Hood?s commanding officer. ?The critical factor here was her quick response to the situation.?

President Obama led the nation?s mourning yesterday and will visit Fort Hood for a memorial service in the coming days. He ordered all flags at the White House and other federal buildings to be flown at half mast until Veterans Day on November 11. But he urged Americans against ?jumping to conclusions? about the killer?s motives.

Major Hasan, a Muslim and an expert in combat stress, survived the shooting and is now being treated in a nearby hospital, under armed guard.

It emerged yesterday that he was opposed to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and had tried to buy his way out of the army rather than being deployed overseas. The request was turned down.

He had shouted the Arabic phrase Allahu akbar (God is greatest) before opening fire, witnesses said.

Ms Munley, the mother of a three-year-old girl, is in a stable condition, with injuries to the upper leg and thigh. General Cone said her fearless response to the gunman had saved countless lives. Trained in active-response tactics, she rushed into the building where he was shooting, and confronted him directly. Officials confirmed that she had continued firing even after being hit.

Those who treated the police officer said that her first request after being taken to hospital was to call her colleagues and friends to let them know she was OK — and to find out about casualty numbers.

Her stepmother, Wanda Barbour, said Ms Munley was an oustanding police officer. ?She?s concerned about all the people who?ve lost their lives,? she said. ?We?re just real proud of her and so grateful and thankful to the Lord that she?s going to be okay.?

General Cone said that Ms Munley?s actions demonstated that an aggressive response to a mass-shooting can save lives. ?She walked up and engaged him,? he said.

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That is the woman who gunned down a jihadist coward and traitor.
 
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Zhang Fei       11/6/2009 10:56:25 PM
Yeah, the Air Force has it right in shoving evangelicalism down everyone's throat.
 
Righto, Nan. As we all know, a Christian was responsible for this shooting. Nidal Malik Hasan - that's a Christian name through and through, isn't it?
 
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Zhang Fei       11/6/2009 11:06:55 PM
Fun headlines... from the BBC:
The Headline of the Day, from the BBC:

Shooting Raises Fears For Muslims In US Army

Really? Right now the body count stands at:

Non-Muslims 13
Muslims 0

I was reading from some of this kind of coverage on the Rush Limbaugh show today. Even if you are concerned that it would be terribly unfair if all Muslims were to be tarred by Major Hasan's brush, it is, to put it at its mildest, the grossest bad taste to default every single time within minutes to the position that what's of most interest about an actual actrocity with real victims is that it may provoke an entirely hypothetical atrocity with entirely hypothetical victims. I refer you yet again to this note-perfect parody:

British Muslims Fear Repercussions Over Tomorrow's Train Bombing

This kind of media coverage is really a form of mental illness far more advanced than whatever Major Hasan's lawyers eventually enter in mitigation, and apparently pandemic, at least among the western media.

 
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smitty237    Nan   11/7/2009 12:50:07 AM

Yeah, the Air Force has it right in shoving evangelicalism down everyone's throat.
Even now you have to spread your hatred and filth.  What does anything the Air Force happens to be doing or not doing have anything to do with what happened yesterday?  You mindless liberals are so concerned about political correctness and so afraid of offending Muslims that you are willing to twist this tragedy into an indictment on Evangelical Christianity.  There is an Islamic mosque only a few miles from my home here in Kansas City, but other than a gate and quite possibly an alarm system there is nothing to protect the mosque, yet it has stood there unbothered for several years.  How many Fundamentalist Christian churches are there in Mecca, Baghdad, Damascus, or Kabul?  Islam is exclusive and non-democratic by nature, but it is allowed to thrive in this country because or our tradition of religous freedom.  Like or not, Nan, Christianity's roots in this country dates back over five hundred years, and is a central part of our national consciousness and principles.  Maj. Hassan was allowed to serve in the Army despite his religious beliefs because we don't discriminate on the grounds of religion.  Thousands of Muslims serve this country honorably, as do many thousands of Evangelical Christians.  Your comments are a disgrace to those brave Americans that have served and died for this country honorably.  I would say, "shame on you," but I'm afraid that those words would be wasted. 

 
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Hamilcar    Shooter's weapon.   11/7/2009 8:15:13 AM
 
 
Now the question is, did this piece of work do special homework to find the smallest most efficient pistol he could buy to do the maximum harm he could? Did he buy SS190 ammunition as well? 
 
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appleciderus       11/7/2009 10:14:11 AM
Over 100 rounds fired. How many magazines would that be?
 
I would be proud to be called an evangelical airman if there was such a thing.
 
This was an act of terror committed  by an islamic terrorist, condoned if not encouraged by his imman.
 
The mosque he attended should be closed.
 
 
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warpig       11/7/2009 11:18:35 AM

Over 100 rounds fired. How many magazines would that be?

 
I would be proud to be called an evangelical airman if there was such a thing.

 
This was an act of terror committed  by an islamic terrorist, condoned if not encouraged by his imman.

 
The mosque he attended should be closed.


 
Standard mags for the FiveseveN hold 20 rounds, because they are such small cartridges.  While I am certainly not trying to trivialize this tragedy or turn it into an armchair warrior debate like some sort of (in my mind typically silly) "9mm v. .45cal" debate, I really do suspect that it was probably a good thing this psycho terrorist didn't pick a more powerful weapon with more effective ammunition.  However, obviously, he was clearly able to mortally wound a great number of people and likely would have done so no matter what caliber his weapon was.
 
 
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Le Zookeeper    His Imama was actually uncomfortable with him   11/7/2009 11:29:09 AM

Over 100 rounds fired. How many magazines would that be?

 

I would be proud to be called an evangelical airman if there was such a thing.


 

This was an act of terror committed  by an islamic terrorist, condoned if not encouraged by his imman.


 

The mosque he attended should be closed.


 


And he had made ample "noise" that his peers etc in the army should have flagged him earlier. The mosque he attended is quite blameless in this event. More so the "political correctness" or apathy in the army screening process (if one exists).
 
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