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Subject: Politics enters the 3rd Grade
stbretnco    11/4/2009 1:51:26 AM
Had a chat with my daughter, as usual, when she got home from school this afternoon and asked her what she did in school today.

She has daily reading assignments, and normally she's very, very bored with them, so she doesn't remember much about them. She'd rather be reading the latest Nat. Geographic.

This one, however, she remembered. I asked her for details on the assignment, and she said it was about President Obama, and how great a man he is, and that part of it was about him winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

History lesson ensued, we went to the Nobel Prize web site, and looked up the history of the award and the requirements. I broke down the criteria to a level she could understand, and asked her if Pres. Obama had, to her knowledge, done any of those things listed as criteria for the award.

She replied no, and as only a third grader could, stated her opinion of the commmitee. She said she didn't think Mr. Nobel would be very happy with the committee, and she thought they were pretty stupid.

Now, I remember knowing who the president was in Third grade, and getting political lessons at home from my parents. However, I never had a daily reading assignment about the President, and my parents would have screamed if I had.

I have no issues with the school teaching her WHO the President of the US is, but to have a reading assignment in the classroom declaring what a wonderful man he is goes beyond what I'm willing to tolerate. He's a man, no more, no less. Looks like I'm going to be speaking to the teacher in the morning.

 
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Hamilcar    Deal with your school board .   11/4/2009 2:05:30 AM

Had a chat with my daughter, as usual, when she got home from school this afternoon and asked her what she did in school today.

She has daily reading assignments, and normally she's very, very bored with them, so she doesn't remember much about them. She'd rather be reading the latest Nat. Geographic.

This one, however, she remembered. I asked her for details on the assignment, and she said it was about President Obama, and how great a man he is, and that part of it was about him winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

History lesson ensued, we went to the Nobel Prize web site, and looked up the history of the award and the requirements. I broke down the criteria to a level she could understand, and asked her if Pres. Obama had, to her knowledge, done any of those things listed as criteria for the award.

She replied no, and as only a third grader could, stated her opinion of the commmitee. She said she didn't think Mr. Nobel would be very happy with the committee, and she thought they were pretty stupid.

Now, I remember knowing who the president was in Third grade, and getting political lessons at home from my parents. However, I never had a daily reading assignment about the President, and my parents would have screamed if I had.

I have no issues with the school teaching her WHO the President of the US is, but to have a reading assignment in the classroom declaring what a wonderful man he is goes beyond what I'm willing to tolerate. He's a man, no more, no less. Looks like I'm going to be speaking to the teacher in the morning.

Don't forget 2012, when you need to fire that "man".
 
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Hugo       11/4/2009 3:16:01 AM



Had a chat with my daughter, as usual, when she got home from school this afternoon and asked her what she did in school today.




She has daily reading assignments, and normally she's very, very bored with them, so she doesn't remember much about them. She'd rather be reading the latest Nat. Geographic.




This one, however, she remembered. I asked her for details on the assignment, and she said it was about President Obama, and how great a man he is, and that part of it was about him winning the Nobel Peace Prize.




History lesson ensued, we went to the Nobel Prize web site, and looked up the history of the award and the requirements. I broke down the criteria to a level she could understand, and asked her if Pres. Obama had, to her knowledge, done any of those things listed as criteria for the award.




She replied no, and as only a third grader could, stated her opinion of the commmitee. She said she didn't think Mr. Nobel would be very happy with the committee, and she thought they were pretty stupid.




Now, I remember knowing who the president was in Third grade, and getting political lessons at home from my parents. However, I never had a daily reading assignment about the President, and my parents would have screamed if I had.




I have no issues with the school teaching her WHO the President of the US is, but to have a reading assignment in the classroom declaring what a wonderful man he is goes beyond what I'm willing to tolerate. He's a man, no more, no less. Looks like I'm going to be speaking to the teacher in the morning.







History lessons used to be about the past not the present. 
 
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stbretnco       11/4/2009 3:43:33 AM
I'm going to get a copy of the reading assignment in the morning and see it for myself. I have a sinking feeling I know the source......
 
Being that I've already butted heads with this "teacher" over a different assignment, I found myself quoting the bowl of petunias from Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy:  Oh no, not again.
 
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sentinel28a       11/4/2009 8:58:20 PM
Don't feel bad.  A friend of mine had a history "teacher" who insisted that the Pilgrims were the ones who rode west on covered wagons. 
 
The latest history book I got in the mail for my American History II classes (college level) have Obama on the cover--though down in the lower left corner.  (The cover is American soldiers shaking hands with Soviet ones on the Elbe, which I'm fine with.)  The last chapter of the book is little more than a paean to Obama, though to be fair, they don't say anything nasty about McCain or Palin and present the issues of the 2008 election fairly.  Note, however, that there are no pictures of McCain or Palin. 
 
The book now occupies a position on my shelf, where it will stay.  I don't assign my students textbooks--there's no reason for them to pay $80 for a book they're going to use once, and I'm not going to make them read 300 pages when they have four or five other classes to deal with at the same time.  I insist they read at least one book for their research papers (they get three of those), but I allow them to make their own choice.  If they want to read Audacity of Hope and do their paper on Obama, I'm fine with that.  If they want to read Reagan's War and do their paper on Reagan, that's okay too.  I refuse to lead my students by the nose towards my own pet agenda, whether it be liberal or conservative.
 
I have no problem at all with 3rd graders being kept aware of current events, but not indoctrination.  What the hell is this, the Third Reich?
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       11/5/2009 8:45:55 PM
No different than the removal of Noriega as a despot without mentioning that he was Bush Sr's creation and was being removed for disobedience.
 
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stbretnco    Huh?   11/5/2009 11:39:19 PM
Nan, you've really lost me here.......
 
What does Noriega have to do with "Talking points" in classrooms?
 
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sentinel28a       11/6/2009 12:05:36 AM
Nan was cut off in traffic today, and figures it must have been a conservative, because liberals are perfect and never do anything wrong.  Hence the thread hijacking.
 
For the record, the CIA supported Noriega.  The only person who claims he was "punished" for "disobedience" is Noreiga himself.  The whole running drugs, passing info to Cuba, manipulating election results, being in bed with Pablo Escobar, and declaring war on the US apparently slipped Nan's mind. 
 
We now return you to the aforementioned "politics in the third grade" thread.  Or, as its also known, a typical day in Congress.
 
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