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DarthAmerica 11/3/2009 2:34:09 AM

Russia 'simulates' nuclear attack on Poland

Russia has provoked outrage in Poland by simulating an air and sea attack on the country during military exercises.

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By Matthew Day in Warsaw
Published: 4:37PM GMT 01 Nov 2009

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A Russian military tank in action in Georgia Photo: Getty Images

The armed forces are said to have carried out "war games" in which nuclear missiles were fired and troops practised an amphibious landing on the country's coast.

Documents obtained by Wprost, one of Poland's leading news magazines, said the exercise was carried out in conjunction with soldiers from Belarus.

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sentinel28a 11/3/2009 3:49:11 PM

Did this sort of thing happen during Bush's administration, DA? That's a genuine question, not snark.

Biden might as well strike a nerve in Moscow...he's pretty good at doing it here at home.

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DarthAmerica 11/3/2009 5:07:32 PM

Did this sort of thing happen during Bush's administration, DA? That's a genuine question, not snark.

Biden might as well strike a nerve in Moscow...he's pretty good at doing it here at home.

Yeah, Russia actually invaded and took territory from Georgia. Nuclear capable Backfire/Bear/Blackjacks flying to South America and on ferret flights. I keep trying to emphasize that this has nothing to do with who the POTUS is but rather conflicting US-Russian geopolitical interest. People keep trying to make it out to be cops and robbers though...

...this is the Great Game my friend.

-DA

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Nasty German Idiot 11/3/2009 6:10:21 PM

How long is the "enclave" in Kaliningrad going to survive in a War with Nato ? Realistically they should rather practice the defence of their small, underdeveloped territory there. It will be very hard for the crippled Russian Navy to gain dominance over the Baltic Sea, they rather face destruction and beeing stuck in Petersburg like in WW2 than starting any Naval attacks on Poland ...

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YelliChink 11/3/2009 7:02:42 PM

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The same day the US kicked Poland in the nuts.

Coincidence?

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DarthAmerica 11/3/2009 7:33:04 PM

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The same day the US kicked Poland in the nuts.

Coincidence?

Poland, was not "kicked in the nuts". Not deploying GBI in no way hurt Poland.

-DA

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YelliChink 11/3/2009 8:39:01 PM

Poland, was not "kicked in the nuts". Not deploying GBI in no way hurt Poland.

-DA

www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,656194,00.html

Wrote by Germans.

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It wasn't just the decision itself that angered the Poles and the Czechs as much as the way it was communicated. Obama first called his Eastern European counterparts in September via a phone call at around midnight European time -- after the first reports had appeared in the US media. The reaction in Poland was harsh. The Polish tabloid Fakt wrote "the US has sold us out to the Russians." Former Czech Prime Minister Mirek Topolanek complained that Obama's decision demonstrated that the US "was no longer interested" in the region.

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Tell that to Poles and Czechs.

Look, the problem is not, I repeat, NOT, how strategically important the missile base is. These aren't important, and that's the knee jerk reaction to Russian action in Georgia. We've been over this fact back the forth many times, and you seem to be unable to grasp what Poles are thinking and feeling. The problem is HOW USG treated loyal allies. Void a contract unilaterally and call them on the mid night is the exact way you need to do to humiliate your ally, not to mention how they weighed their bets on the US to raise their status in Europe. If you can't keep the promise, then don't make that freaking promise in the beginning.

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DarthAmerica @yellichink 11/3/2009 9:36:24 PM

I cannot tell you how to interpret things or what to believe. However, if you insist that the United States is obligated to deploy GBIs even if they aren't the best weapons system for the job, if you wish to take the word of an article written by Germans about Poles, including Tabloid comments. If you still remain convinced that Poland has been betrayed but still decided to deploy men and materials to support a US war even though such a decision isn't popular with Poles right before an election. If you believe that the Patriot Missile units deploying to Poland aren't a much more direct threat to Russia than 10 GBI's. If you think that statements from almost every cabinet level politician in the United States affirming support for Poland are still "kicking Poland in the nuts". I don't think anything I have to say will convince you otherwise.

If you really want to understand whats going on. I'd suggest avoiding the hyperbole and simply looking at the facts and data to sum the net gains and losses. Also, evaluate the motivations and logic behind specific events. It's rather obvious what's going on. I've already explained at length what the true logic behind the GBIs were. The only thing that changed is the TYPE of weapons system and it's ability to directly kill Russians or shoot down their BMs.

-DA

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lurker 11/3/2009 10:23:35 PM

What possible interest could Russia have in Poland that would be accomplished by a conventional invasion? Poland isn't Georgia, for one, it is a NATO member, which makes it hard to threaten them when they have the might of Europe and the US behind them... (yes I believe they would go to war for Poland against Russia).

This is just more showmanship and pretentions at being a bigger power than it is for the populace. Bad for trying to cool down tensions though...

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sentinel28a 11/3/2009 11:17:59 PM

It's saber rattling--Putin trying to show how big his penis is. Once more, we're treated to a glimpse of the Russian leadership inferority complex, which has been around since, oh, about Peter the Great. This is to intimidate the Poles and the Belarussians into keeping a low profile.

As far as Poland sending troops after we pulled the ABMs? That proves that the Poles are better allies to us than we are to them. Poland keeps their word. The Obama administration, not so much.

DA, your statements are accurate, but you'll notice those incidents happened during Bush's lame-duck years. Putin likely was doing that as a reminder to whoever would come after Bush: we're the Russian Bear, we're still tough, don't mess with us, and seeing how the candidates will respond. Both did, as I recall--McCain and Obama both promised not to cave in to Putin, though McCain, given his, well, firsthand experience with practitioners of Marxism-Leninism, was a little tougher on Putin. In his defense, Obama in that debate was tougher than I expected him to be.

Unfortunately, now that he's President, he's pretty much what I expected he would be...

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Russia 'simulates' nuclear attack on Poland

Russia has provoked outrage in Poland by simulating an air and sea attack on the country during military exercises.

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