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Subject: Across the board GOP wins on November 3 would merely be more evidence of the GOP's continuing slide
Zhang Fei    11/2/2009 9:56:28 PM
Saith the AP:
WASHINGTON ? For Republicans, an election win of any size Tuesday would be a blessing. But victories in Virginia, New Jersey or elsewhere won't erase enormous obstacles the party faces heading into a 2010 midterm election year when control of Congress and statehouses from coast to coast will be up for grabs.

It's been a tough few years for the GOP. The party lost control of Congress in 2006 and then lost the White House in 2008 with three traditional Republican states ? Indiana, North Carolina and Virginia ? abandoning the party.

So even if political winds start blowing harder behind them and even if they can capitalize on Democratic missteps, Republicans still will have a long way to go over the next year because of their party's own fundamental problems ? divisions over the path forward, the lack of anational leader and a shrinking base in a changing nation.

The GOP would overcome none of those hurdles should Republican Bob McDonnell win the Virginia governor's race, Chris Christie emerge victorious in the New Jersey governor's contest, or conservative Doug Hoffman triumph in a hotly contested special congressional election in upstate New York.
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       11/3/2009 12:59:44 AM
If you win, you lose.  If you lose, you lose.
 
 
Chumps.
 
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buzzard       11/3/2009 8:53:21 AM
Wow, the leftie press is already covering for the Dems before they even lose. Pre-emptive excuses is a whole new angle.
 
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sentinel28a       11/3/2009 2:59:57 PM
Defeat is victory! War is peace!  Liberals are conserv...well, let's not go crazy here.
 
Somewhere FDR and JFK are shaking their heads over what crybabies the Democrats have become.
 
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sentinel28a       11/3/2009 11:10:47 PM
Well, well.  Looks like the GOP wins in Virginia and New Jersey for sure, with NY-23 still close.
 
I suppose this "means nothing."
 
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Zhang Fei       11/3/2009 11:41:58 PM
Here's an interesting comment from MSNBC.com:
A Hoffman win could force Republicans in Washington to pay closer attention to their votes and positions on issues, rather than counting on the Republican label to get them elected.
Actually, win or lose, Republican voters knocked off Scozzafava. Unless Republicans in Washington want to start running as Democrats or independents, they had better start paying attention to the wishes of Republican voters.
 
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Zhang Fei       11/3/2009 11:53:25 PM
An interesting aspect of the Hoffman defeat in New York is that the Republican party spent almost $1m slamming him until the closing 3 days of the election. If unelected GOP leaders like Michael Steele continue to spend money siding with Democrats against Republicans, one of two things will happen - they will be removed from office by elected GOP leaders, or Republican voters will unseat the GOP legislators who picked people like Steele.
 
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buzzard       11/4/2009 7:15:04 AM
It's amusing that the nimrods who call me all the time from the GOP wonder why I don't give them money. I cite instances like the election in NY23 and the backing of other completely useless individuals, but they don't get it.
 
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Zhang Fei       11/4/2009 6:16:13 PM
The interesting thing is that Ogabe did not campaign for NY-23. The Democrat won. Ogabe campaigned for both the Virginia and New Jersey gubernatorial elections. Both Democratic candidates lost. Now, the national polls say Ogabe isn't yet underwater (i.e. unfavorables > favorables). The question is whether, subconsciously, voters are starting to turn on the Ogabe brand, regardless of what they say to pollsters.
 
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sentinel28a       11/4/2009 8:49:16 PM
Actually, Zhang, Obama and Biden did campaign for Owens in NY-23--Axelrod was boasting about "beating Palin" today, though as I recall, her name wasn't on the ballot in NY-23; she merely endorsed Hoffman.
 
Gives me a clue where this administration's priorities are.  The Dems just lost Virginia's governorship, which was probably going to happen, and New Jersey, which wasn't supposed to.  Owens is a Blue Dog Democrat, not a far left Dem, and he may not be as ready to vote the party line on health care and cap/trade.  Independents seem to be deserting Obama in droves.  But hey, none of that matters, so long as they "get Palin."
 
For someone who wields about as much influence as Glenn Beck, Obama's boys sure are afraid of her. 
 
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Zhang Fei       11/4/2009 10:13:59 PM
For someone who wields about as much influence as Glenn Beck, Obama's boys sure are afraid of her. 
 
I don't think they're afraid of her - they think she's a laughingstock and hope - along with the media (Fox excepted) - to convince the rest of the nation that she's a laughingstock. I think they have had some success painting her this way. Whether she's the Republican nominee in 2012 will depend on her success in counter-acting the media blitz against her. The media doesn't always win - it trashed Reagan for 8 years and succeeded mainly in opening America's eyes to the way the media is dominated by left-wing ideologues. The American electorate may have to relearn the lessons of the Reagan years. If Palin can make her case effectively, all the calumny against her will have the same effect on her that it had on Reagan - none at all.
 
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Zhang Fei       11/4/2009 11:03:36 PM
As it turns out, the specific geographical area that is currently NY23 has had plenty of Democratic congressmen representing it. It's just not always been designated NY23.
 
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reefdiver       11/5/2009 6:17:25 PM
Bbefore the election, Howard Dean was calling the Virginia election a "bellwether". Today I suppose its no big deal...
 
Here are a bunch of such quotes by acquired by the RNC - all from Democrats and "liberal" media:
 
 
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sentinel28a       11/5/2009 6:31:36 PM
I'm ambivalent towards Palin.  I like her personally, but I'm not sure she would be a good Presidential candidate.  She might better serve as an inspiration at this point--the person to give the Republican Party a swift kick in the ass if necessary.  I would vote for her if she got the nomination, though.  That said, at this point, all things being equal, I don't think she could beat Obama.
 
I'm leaning towards Pawlenty, though I would vote for Romney.  While Huckabee is a good guy and someone I'd buy a beer for, I would not want him as President.
 
Anyhow, still too early on that front.
 
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Zhang Fei       11/5/2009 9:56:52 PM
New Gingrich and other GOP pols in Washington sealed Hoffman's fate. And in so doing, they may have sealed their own electoral fates:
On Election Day, veteran conservative leader David Keene was regaling friends with the story of how the Nixon White House manipulated a split in liberal opinion to help elect James Buckley to the U.S. Senate from New York.

Left-wing support for liberal Republican Charles Goodell was shifting to Democrat Richard Ottinger when Vice President Spiro Agnew was trotted out to attack Goodell as the "Christine Jorgensen [the notorious sex-change figure of the time] of the Republican party." Aghast at the Agnew ridicule of one of their own, Goodell's liberal supporters rallied to him, and Buckley was able to win the three-way race with 39 percent of the vote.

Little did Keene's friends realize that he was explaining why Conservative party nominee Doug Hoffman was about to lose his race for the New York 23rd district House seat.

On the Saturday before the election, Hoffman enjoyed a clear lead over liberal Republican Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava and Democrat Bill Owens--despite the infusion of massive amounts of official Republican and Democrat funds on behalf of the leading party candidates.

The National Republican Congressional Campaign Committee alone had spent close to $900,000 on Scozzafava's behalf as clueless House GOP leaders clung to her candidacy. Even after the Club for Growth and conservative media figures had turned the Hoffman campaign into a national crusade, Newt Gingrich weighed in for Scozzafava, in an exercise that will damage if not end his Republican presidential nomination hopes.

Meanwhile, Democrats, with cash on hand from a massive fundraiser by President Obama himself, had spent even more on Owens.

When Scozzafava dropped out of the race on Saturday, most believed Hoffman could still hold his lead. Hoffman may have campaigned like the certified public accountant he is, but his obviously sincere belief that Washington needed to be changed had turned him into a folk hero. Then Sunday, Scozzafava, her official Republican money spent, let it be known she was supporting Owens. Big time.

Her allies at the Watertown Daily Times swung into gear for Owens. So too did Scozzafava's union-organizer husband. As one conservative pro explained, when it comes to the political ground game, unions still can out-rush anti-abortion activists.

(This was the same union-organizer husband who had called the cops on THE WEEKLY STANDARD's John McCormack, when he dared ask Assemblywoman Scozzafava her opinion of federal funding of abortion by Obamacare.)

In Scozzafava's home county of St. Lawrence, Owens crushed Hoffman. In traditionally Republican Jefferson County (Watertown), Owens edged Hoffman. In the end, the candidate financed by official Republican Washington made sure the Democrat would win the race.

In unofficial results, Owens won 49 percent of the vote, beating Hoffman by four percent. Scozzafava, whose name remained on the ballot, won six percent.

Despite huge GOP victories in southern New York, there would be no Jim Buckley-like victory in the North Country. Unlike in 1970, Republicans in Washington made sure of that.
 
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