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Subject: If George W. Bush was an idiot...
Zhang Fei    10/30/2009 8:13:11 AM
(I'm sure everyone's read this by now, but what the heck). Amusing list:
If George W. Bush had been the first
President to need a teleprompter
installed to be able to get through a
press conference, would you have
laughed and said this is more proof of
how inept he is on his own and is
really controlled by smarter men
behind the scenes?

If George W. Bush had spent
hundreds of thousands of dollars to
take Laura Bush to a play in NYC,
would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had reduced your
retirement plan's holdings of GM stock
by 90% and given the unions a
majority stake in GM, would you have
approved?

If George W. Bush had made a joke
at the expense of the Special
Olympics, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had given Gordon
Brown a set of inexpensive and
incorrectly formatted DVDs, when
Gordon Brown had given him a
thoughtful and historically significant
gift, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had given the
Queen of England an iPod containing
videos of his speeches, would you
have thought this embarrassingly
narcissistic and tacky?

If George W. Bush had bowed to the
King of Saudi Arabia , would you have
approved?

If George W. Bush had visited Austria
and made reference to the
non-existent "Austrian language,"
would you have brushed it off as a
minor slip?

If George W. Bush had filled his
cabinet and circle of advisers with
people who cannot seem to keep
current in their income taxes, would
you have approved?

If George W. Bush had been so
Spanish illiterate as to refer to "Cinco
de Cuatro" in front of the Mexican
ambassador when it was the 5th of
May (Cinco de Mayo), and continued
to flub it when he tried again, would
you have winced in embarrassment?

If George W. Bush had mis-spelled
the word "advice" would you have
hammered him for it for years like Dan
Quayle and potatoe as proof of what a
dunce he is?

If George W. Bush had burned 9,000
gallons of jet fuel to go plant a
single tree on Earth Day, would you
have concluded he's a hypocrite?

If George W. Bush's administration
had okayed Air Force One flying low
over millions of people followed by a
jet fighter in downtown Manhattan
causing widespread panic, would you
have wondered whether they actually
get what happened on 9-11?

If George W. Bush had failed to send
relief aid to flood victims throughout
the Midwest with more people killed or
made homeless than in New Orleans ,
would you want it made into a major
ongoing political issue with claims of
racism and incompetence?

If George W. Bush had created the
position of 32 Czars who report directly
to him, bypassing the House and
Senate on much of what is happening
in America , would you have
approved?

If George W. Bush had ordered the
firing of the CEO of a major
corporation, even though he had no
constitutional authority to do so,
would you have approved?

If George W Bush had proposed to
double the national debt, which had
taken more than two centuries to
accumulate, in one year, would you
have approved?

If George W. Bush had then proposed
to double the debt again within 10
years, would you have approved?

So, tell me again, what is it about
Obama that makes him so brilliant and
impressive? Can't think of anything?
Don't worry. He's done all this in 5
months -- so you'll have three years
and seven months to come up with an
answer.
 
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YelliChink       10/30/2009 12:42:34 PM

Comparing what Yelli and Johnnny write, they either are roomates, good friends or log cabin conservatives who spend alot of time together coming up with this hilarious virulence.

You forgot the part of shooting buddy.
 
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smitty237    Virulence?   10/30/2009 3:14:21 PM

Comparing what Yelli and Johnnny write, they either are roomates, good friends or log cabin conservatives who spend alot of time together coming up with this hilarious virulence.
Hmmmm......  If they can't dismiss criticisms of The Dear Leader Obama as outright lies or the product of kooky conspiracies, then they brand them as mean-spirited hate speech.  The fact that every one of them is true is irrelevant.  Oh, you forgot to mention the time Obama said that he had visited "fifty seven (57)" states...........

 
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sentinel28a       10/30/2009 3:29:44 PM
Hey, every President (or candidate, in this case) puts their foot in their mouth, so I give Obama a pass on his "57 states" comment.  It happens.
 
The point that you're missing here, Nan, perhaps purposely, is that you and others here on SP (namely Plutarch) would've been all over Bush and/or Cheney like stink on poop if they had made any one of these gaffes.  We'd probably be hearing stuff on how Cheney is wiping his butt with the Constitution or how Haliburton provided the iPod in return for kickbacks.  Obama's done some pretty damn dumb things in the past year, and what do we hear from our brave defenders of the Constitution? 
 
Silence.  Or worse, accusations of "hate speech." 
 
Everything listed above has happened.  I don't jump on Obama for small things like mispronouncing Spanish, or making a reference to the Austrian language, getting the format wrong on DVDs, or even taking Michelle out for a night on the town.  Hey, that's fine--I'm up in front of an audience six hours a day, and I make mistakes all the time...and if you're the President, you deserve a perk or two for all the BS you have to put up with.  Yet if any of this would've happened on Bush's watch, there would be screams of the murder bloody.  But since Obama's doing it, it's okay.
 
We common folk have a word for that: hypocrisy.
 
When it becomes "hate speech" to criticize the President or make fun of him, we're no longer living in the United States.  We're living in the Soviet Union when Stalin was in charge. 
 
 
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harley    Everyone of them is not true...   11/19/2009 4:12:39 PM
Mike,
 
I am pretty kind to Mr. Abdo or Adpo or whatever his name is.  Please pass this on to him.  Read it and see if I was too kind to him.  If I was, I will spice it up.  Let me know!
 
Harley
 
If George W. Bush had been the first President to need a teleprompter installed to be able to get through a press conference, would you have laughed and said this is more proof of how he inept he is on his own and is really controlled by smarter men behind the scenes?
 
Oh boy, that's a real crime against the country; a teleprompter problem; even a screwed up report about it.
 
George W Bush actually had a harder time with the teleprompter than Obama does..or than did LBJ, RMN, GF, JC, RWR, GHWB....WJC had no such problems...Of Course, GWB rarely got through a press conference with out a major gaffe anyway.

f George W. Bush had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to take Laura Bush to a play in NYC, would you have approved?  But GWB did take Laura to C&W concerts, Kennedy Center concerts, and all kinds of things..many, many more times than any other president ever did or ever has or probably ever will...not to mention more vacation months than any president is history.  Mr. Adpo, check the Bush travel stats so you get a more informed knowledge of reality.

...GM stock by 90% and given the unions a majority stake in GM, would you have approved? Because of GWB's administration's lack of oversight and lack of use of regulations in place and because of his approval of the redistribution from the middle class consumer to the thieves of The National Corporate Security State, those things mentioned above happened.  Because of GWBush's imposition of laissez faireism, Wall Street and the corporatists did in the middle class consumer, minimized their buying power and junked down the US economy to its lowest level since the Great Depression...and from which we have not and will not recover soon....

If George W. Bush had made a joke at the expense of the Special Olympics,would you have approved?  George Bush made jokes of the 9-11 bombings, the lost weapons of mass destruction, disabled Americans and just about anything else he could think of and declared "Mission Accomplished" over the bodies of may too many dead Americans who died and were maimed by his crusade in the Mideast but his chauvinist followers conveniently forget all of that!

If George W. Bush had given Gordon Brown a set of inexpensive and incorrectly formatted DVDs, when Gordon Brown had given him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved?  Nope...and Obama had the class and decency to correct that staff error...something GWB never did when he screwed up...because GWB could never think of a mistake he ever made before or during his WH years.

If George W. Bush had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have thought this embarrassingly narcissistic and tacky?  He did that because the Queen asked for them...something Abdo seems to have overlooked or conveniently forgot...

If George W. Bush had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia , would you have approved?  GW nodded to the Saudi Arabian King and then kissed him on both cheeks and then held his hand as they walked into the residence at Crawford....another memory lapse on the part of Mr. Abdo...and I wonder if Mr. Abdo would have approved of the Eisenhower and Nixon bows to Japanese and Chinese leaders....which did occur!!!

If George W. Bush had visited Austria and made reference to the non-existent "Austrian language," would you have brushed it off as a  minor slip?  I suggest Mr. Abdo and his compadres take a look at "Bushisms" which can be easily "googled" up!!

If George W. Bush had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current in their income taxes, would you  have approved?  No, GW filled his office with former Nixon & Reagan crooks..and let us all remember that Ronald Reagan had more of his administration appointees investigated, indicted, charged, tried, convicted, fined, jailed or who had to leave office under cloud of scandal second only to Richard M. Nixon among all presidents in US history...I suppose Mr. Abdo conveniently forgot that little set of tidbits too!  Typical!

If George W. Bush had been so Spanish illiterate as to refer to "Cinco de Cuatro" in front of the Mexican ambassador when it was the 5th of May (Cinco de Mayo), and continued to flub it when he tried again, would you have winced in embarrassment?  Again, I refer all Bush chauvinists to "Bushisms".....for a little refrsher course in Bush flubs and dubs and embarrassments...multiply Obama's flubs by 500 in his first year and you'll get nearly close to Bush's flubs and gaffes!!!  I know the Bush chauvinists won't google up "Bushisms" out of sheer fear of what they'll find there....it's a character thing!!!

If George W. Bush had mis-spelled the word "advice" would you have hammered him for it for years like Dan Quayle and potatoe as proof of what a dunce he is?  Yeah...because I know how Bush got into and though Andover, Yale and Harvard!  Do any of you?  He legacied and played and smoked dope, stayed drunk, missed classes, lectures, never turned in papers and, because of who his family was, never had to say I'm sorry--and still got his degrees and that's why the "Bushisms" books are so thick with worse errors than spelling or Spanish mistakes!!! 

If George W. Bush had burned 9,000 gallons of jet fuel to go plant a single tree on Earth Day, would you have concluded he's a hypocrite?  He was a hypocrite of the highest order and he did many things worse than your little fly speck (above) as he flew back and forth to Crawford and Camp David or went to ballgames...You boys can't win when it comes to hypocrisy and forked tongued convoluted logic regarding GWB....your climbing a steep uphill mountain here!!  In the middle of a serious drought in Texas--while Bush was running for president and still governor of Texas--he drained water out of the almost dry Bosque River to fill his ponds on the ranch he bought just before he ran for president while the real ranchers were not allowed to touch that water to water their stock or fields.....and he did it just to try to make his ranch look good for TV, not because he was raising cattle or growing any crops...He did it just because he could!!!  Yeah, he was and is a hypocrite....and gutless to boot...He is afraid of horses and you've never seen him on one.  He thinks ranching is cutting brush in the Bosque for a photo op.  Hell, he's neve even stepped in any cow manure.  Why, because he has no cattle on that so-called ranch!
 
If George W. Bush's administration had okayed Air Force One flying low  over millions of people followed by a jet fighter in downtown  Manhattan  causing widespread panic, would you have wondered whether they actually  get what happened on 9-11?  Obama didn't approve of the NYC jet/AF1 flight over NYC.  GWB did much more and never stooped to apologize for it...over and over and over and over...read the above....and then go to the Austin Chronicle and dig through the archives to see just how much of the Texas Rangers GWB really owned...1.9% off the money he made from selling his loser company via insider information--a felony--and then Hicks and Rainwater gave--GAVE--him 10% of the team just before he ran for governor so he could prance around saying he owned a major league baseball franchise...while all he really did was drink beer and eat popcorn and wave to baseball fans.

Something about not takinjg care of flood victims along the Mississippi and in the midwest...
with more people killed or made homeless than in  New Orleans , would you want it made into a major ongoing political issue  with claims of racism and incompetence?  What in the heck are you talking about?  You really need to explain that claim because GWB was always late and without any real relief to anyone because he believed government couldn't work and was out to prove it by making sure it didn't.  Let's see your facts, numbers, realities about the above claim and then make comparisons and contrasts...not just bullshit exclamations & claims without merit.  Apparently you actually believe Bush and Brownie did a good job in NO.

If George W. Bush had created the position  32 or more   Czars who report directly to him, bypassing the House and Senate on much of what is happening in America , would you have approved.  You must have approved of 'em until Obama got to be president because every previous president including Nixon had'em!  Those so-called Czars are in the executive branch and are not required to consult with the house or senate unless called before an oversight committee to testify...and, in such a case, they have to go before the committee..unless they worked for Karl Rove who determined for himself if they would go before a committee, even under subpeona, or not.  No administration refused to go before house/senate committees more often than the GWB administration to testify when called by the house/senate--even when the house and senate were controlled by Republicans.  Please study some recent history, Mr. Adpo!
 
Every president since Nixon has had such positions so that he could keep up with what is going on under their spheres of limited authority which they media followed up with by calling them Czars...and the name stuck even though the power you seem to attribute to them is nothing like what you and yours seem to want to spin it....Nixon had'em.  Carter had'em.  Reagan had'em.  Bush 1 had'em. Clinton had'em. Bush 2 had'em; lot's of'em! Bubba, you don't seem to know much about the government or the separation of powers, etc...Most of the appointive offices in the executive branch have no constitutional support....nor do many of them have constitutional powers....I suppose that it only worries you when a Democrat is in the WH because the same is the case under Repub presidents, Abdo!

Regarding spending, we can say the same thing about Reagan--who borrowed and spent more in his terms than all previous presidents combined--or as did Bush 1or Bush 2.  And while we're at it, why don't you go back to annual budget deficit records, national debt growth records, unemployment records and compare them to Democratic presidents.  I think you will be disappointed to find that the BS your party bosses have fed you is not in line with the facts....I wish you'd especially take a look at the Reagan unemployment and deficit and debt stats and how long it took for him to get out of the 9%-10& unemployment situation!  I have all of that information for you if you are too lazy, Mr. Adpo, to do your own research. I know you won't because ideologues like you are much more interested in BS than truth!!!  Another typical trait of right wingers...and extreme left wingers....for that matter...


 
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harley    Everyone of them is not true...   11/19/2009 4:16:11 PM
For a primer on mis-statements, gaffes, etc., "google" up BUSHISMS!  There is enough in just one of the sites--not to mention them all--to keep your sides hurting for a week or two....You will laugh--or cry--
 
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Panther       11/19/2009 4:51:52 PM
I wished i could have warned the opposition off of their irrational BDS before it was too late! Oh wait... i did and on numerous occasions.
 
Regretfully i say this, you reap what you sow! Unfortunately for the rest of us, now our country is paying the price for the past eight years of the constant irrational vitriol directed at the Bush administration. My advice to my countrymen to left of me, don't take it so personally. By the time President Obama's administration is over you will be thanking god for Presidential term limits. That is... if we are not a full blown dictatorship by then!
 
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EvilFishy    What a load of bovine excrement.    11/19/2009 6:47:50 PM

What a load of manure.

The intent of that article is clear: Obama is doing the very things, with little or no public outcry for which Bush was crucified in the area of public opinion.

Yes, other Presidents have done different things (and they were treated DIFFERENTLY).


Example? George H.W. Bush gave a speech to school children that was viciously attacked by the media as propaganda ploy. Obama did something similar and worse, he included partisan homework (later removed) and he received a full pass.

This is a matter of hypocrisy and the fact that you cannot see this speaks volumes either of your partisan blindness or your mental inadequacies.

I say this as a person with a disdain and loathing for Bush that cannot be adequately be articulated in any language.

As much displeasure as I hold for Bush, I hold more so for liars and hypocrites.

With all that said, this will be fun.

 

-----Oh boy, that's a real crime against the country; a teleprompter problem; even a screwed up report about it. ----

Red herring. No claim was made that poor public speaking skills amounted to a criminal offense. The point was hypocrisy. President Obama relies almost exclusively upon teleprompters; more so than any other President in US history. The ability to read from a teleprompter is but ONE avenue that must be mastered to master public speaking.

-----George W Bush actually had a harder time with the teleprompter than Obama does..or than did LBJ, RMN, GF, JC, RWR, GHWB....WJC----

Factually False as can be seen from observing speeches given from George W. Bush. When comparing major speeches given by GWB with Obama, it is clear for all to see who has the difficulty with the teleprompter (see head bob, left to right, left to right for further edification).

Furthermore, all Presidents have their shares of gaffes and public speak faux paux . This is a matter of public record and I suggest you do some menial research on the matter

----had no such problems...Of Course, GWB rarely got through a press conference with out a major gaffe anyway.----

The same can be said of Obama so what is your point? The point of the article was the incessant claim that GWB was a babbling, incoherent idiot. His public speaking skills were average at best but then again, Obama-s public speaking skills are average as well.

Have you seen Obama give a speech with out a teleprompter? I have; it was excruciating between the fumbling, the uhs, and ohs, etc.

Have you seen Obama both a speech via a teleprompter? I have; Obama even had the distinct pleasure of reading another man-s speech and then introducing himself to himself. How quaint.

--- But GWB did take Laura to C&W concerts, Kennedy Center concerts, and all kinds of things..many, many more times than any other president ever did or ever has or probably ever will..---

Do you have a number to support this claim and information to explain why such a number would matter? You are confusing your irrelevant and meaningless number of vacation days with parties, leaves of absence (actual leave), and out right disappearances (as occurred with John Adams) Perhaps you should take the time to do some basic research before spouting off with nonsense. Long vacations are historic precedent by Presidents including James Madison , Thomas Jefferson , and John Adams.

 

 

----not to mention more vacation months than any president is history. Mr. Adpo, check the Bush travel stats so you get a more informed knowledge of reality.--Irrelevant. Unlike Presidents of the 19th and early 20th centuries, we have this invention called telecommunications involving the internet and telephone communications. The fact that Bush was not physically present in D.C. and in the White House is irrelevant as he always had a mobile communications center around him (as all modern Presidents do).

Again, logical fallacy takes precedent over the truth and point of the article: Bush was hammered for taking vacation days (even days he WAS WORKING on his ranch including doing his Constitutional duty entertaining foreign leaders as head of state) by many INCLUDING the current President Obama.

Given what Obama has said in the past, this smacks of RANK hypocrisy. Furthermore, if Obama persists at his current rate, he may yet beat Bush by your arithmetic as he has already played more golf, given more press conferences, and dine more campaigning than either Bush or Clinton did in 8 years of office in ONE YEAR.

...GM stock by 90% and given the unions a majority stake in GM, would you have approved?

---Because of GWB's administration's lack of oversight and lack of use of regulations in place and because of his approval of the redistribution from the middle class consumer to the thieves of The National Corporate Security State, those things mentioned above happened.---

FACTUALLY FALSE. The reference to the loss in GM stock that was given as a majority state to the unions regarding GM was a direct result of the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION which followed a decade of the management of GM running the business into the ground.

You are obviously confusing the FORCED bankruptcy deal, which set a precedent in American bankruptcy law as it screwed bond holders royally, with the direct mismanagement of a private corporation (which the Government had no say in running prior to Obama).


Do some menial research before posting half truths and whole lies.

---Because of GWBush's imposition of laissez faireism, Wall Street and the corporatists did in the middle class consumer, minimized their buying power and junked down the US economy to its lowest level since the Great Depression?and from which we have not and will not recover soon....---

Factually FALSE. For starters, the US President does not run the US economy. This is ECON/CIVICS 101 so I suggest you find a local high school offering a general equivalency course and sit in for a basic education.

Secondly, Washington does not run Wall Street. If anything, Wall Street runs Washington as can be evidenced by the record shattering donations made from companies to the current leaders in Washington (predominantly Democrat); many of whom benefited directly as the recipients of federal dollars in a program passed by the DEMOCRAT congress, signed by Bush, and continued by President Obama.

I would remind you that Obama was a US Senator when all of this was occurring and he voted for the very legislation be now rails against.

 

f George W. Bush had made a joke at the expense of the Special Olympics,would you have approved?

---George Bush made jokes of the 9-11 bombings,---

What was the joke? Where and when did he make the joke?

---the lost weapons of mass destruction,---

Lost? There were no lost WMD. There were only WMD Saddam had which we knew he had which he failed to account for. It is amazing what a nation the size of California with a lot of money in oil and dollars can do with items that can fill a refridgerator.

I know of only one joke regarding WMD made by Bush and it was not about WMD but a self deprecating joke that insulted himself. Bush was still ridiculed for that joke in a way Obama was not when he directly insulted special needs children.

---disabled Americans ----

What was the joke? Where and when did he make the joke?

---and just about anything else he could think of and declared "Mission Accomplished" ----

He did not declare Mission Accomplished and he did not declare Mission Accomplished for the War in Iraq. That is a common LIE parroted out by the ignorant who are either too lazy or lacking to do BASIC RESEARCH on the matter.

Look it up and acquire an actual education on the matter.

---over the bodies of may too many dead Americans who died and were maimed by his crusade in the Mideast but his chauvinist followers conveniently forget all of that!---

His followers such as Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and the Democrats who voted for the war to proceed and the funding for the war to continue? What about the Democrats who took control of BOTH HOUSES in 2007 who ran on ending the war who DID NOT END THE WAR?

George W. Bush could not have launched and sustained the war in Iraq with OUT DEMOCRATS. That is an absolute, verifiable fact of history you would know if you did even the smallest amount of research.

 

As for the bodies of our soldiers, what about Obama who ran on a campaign to end the war in Iraq (which he has not) and fight the GOOD WAR (his words) for which he has yet to make a decision upon almost a year into his first term?

He and Democrats like him had no problem standing in the halls of Congress and the floor of the Senate (like Harry Reid) and declaring the WAR LOST while our men and women were being killed in combat.

My, my, what a short memory you appear to have.

----Nope...and Obama had the class and decency to correct that staff error...something GWB never did when he screwed up...because GWB could never think of a mistake he ever made before or during his WH years.----

Oh really? Do you even know what GWB gave as gifts? I do. You are commenting on things on which you have NO WORKING KNOWLEDGE.

---GW nodded to the Saudi Arabian King and then kissed him on both cheeks and then held his hand as they walked into the residence at Crawford....another memory lapse on the part of Mr. Abdo?---

Memory loss? Did you even read the damn article? Bush was RIDUCLED by both the LEFT AND THE RIGHT for doing that! Bush was deemed a war monger in the pocket of the Saudis from that one PHOTO.

Obama? He bowed to the son of a bitch and nary a peep. Not only that but the Obama White House took the official stance that there was no Bow even when Obama bowed to the Emperor of Japan in a manner that was striking similar than the event that took place with the King of Saud.

Once more you have completely missed the entire premise and purpose of the article and substituted, in its place, FALSE HOODS, half truths, and irrelevancies.

---and I wonder if Mr. Abdo would have approved of the Eisenhower and Nixon bows to Japanese and Chinese leaders....which did occur!!!---

FACTUALLY FALSE.

Nixon and Eisenhower presented a DIFFERENT BOW (yes grasshopper, there are different cultural bows in Japan, try an education for starters) and it is evidenced by the photographs. What Obama did was amateurish and the photographs tell the story better than your lies.


---I suggest Mr. Abdo and his compadres take a look at "Bushisms" which can be easily "googled" up!!---

Remember when Bush said there were 60 states in the Union and that an American invented the Automobile? Oh wait, that was not GWB. That was Obama. GWB was not the first President to have slips of the tongue and to state factually erroneous material (for whatever reason).

The difference is, and this is the point of the entire article which you clearly missed is the fact that GWB was crucified for his every misstep (as is the case for most Republican leaders) whereas Obamas little gaffes are ignored or downplayed. That is the point: hypocrisy.

----No, GW filled his office with former Nixon & Reagan crooks..and let us all remember that Ronald Reagan had more of his administration appointees investigated, indicted, charged, tried, convicted, fined, jailed or who had to leave office under cloud of scandal second only to Richard M. Nixon among all presidents in US history...I suppose Mr. Abdo conveniently forgot that little set of tidbits too! Typical!----

Well, I remember 2001 quite well and Bush was assaulted from every angle for his political appointments and yet have not ceased even after he left office. Again, since you appear to have a common difficulty in your failure to comprehend what te man wrote, he was comparing the treatment of Bush for one action to the treatment of Obama for that same action.

Bush filled his cabinet positions with some pretty stupid people but I cannot recall any of them being devout Marxists.

Oh and given my knowledge of corrupt political administrations (and incompetent administrations) and given your obvious propensity to LIE and present falsehoods, I would really love to see something to support this asinine claim.

---Again, I refer all Bush chauvinists to "Bushisms".....for a little refrsher course in Bush flubs and dubs and embarrassments...multiply Obama's flubs by 500 in his first year and you'll get nearly close to Bush's flubs and gaffes!!! I know the Bush chauvinists won't google up "Bushisms" out of sheer fear of what they'll find there....it's a character thing!!!---

Again: Remember when Bush said there were 60 states in the Union and that an American invented the Automobile? Oh wait, that was not GWB. That was Obama. GWB was not the first President to have slips of the tongue and to state factually erroneous material (for whatever reason).

The difference is, and this is the point of the entire article which you clearly missed is the fact that GWB was crucified for his every misstep (as is the case for most Republican leaders) whereas Obamas little gaffes are ignored or downplayed. That is the point: hypocrisy.

---Yeah...because I know how Bush got into and though Andover, Yale and Harvard! Do any of you? He legacied and played and smoked dope, stayed drunk, missed classes, lectures, never turned in papers and, because of who his family was, never had to say I'm sorry--and still got his degrees and that's why the "Bushisms" books are so thick with worse errors than spelling or Spanish mistakes!!! ---

Have you ever read any of Obamas books? You really should as they are quite good. In them Obama admitted to being a poor student who smoked pot and tried cocaine. Oh yeah; Obama is a smoker to boot (probably does a bit of blow every now and then as well).

Remember Bush? His DUI came out and it was BIG, FRONT PAGE NEWS. Remember? Of course not oh ye of tiny memory.

Clinton admitted to smoking pot. The media thought it was cute and funny.

Bush had a drinking problem and was characterized as a stupid, immature drunk.

Obama smoked weed and did cocaine, by his own admission, and the media said nothing (that I read) on the matter.

I am noticing a pattern here.

---He was a hypocrite of the highest order and he did many things worse than your little fly speck (above) as he flew back and forth to Crawford and Camp David or went to ballgames...You boys can't win when it comes to hypocrisy and forked tongued convoluted logic regarding GWB.?--

Many of the things you claim Bush did he either did not do or could not have done with out Democrats in Congress (in some cases including Obama himself).

Perhaps you should acquire an actual education on American Government before comment further. Your entire argument appears to be that Bush was a lousy President. So what? Does that lessen the fact that Obama is a worse President and this Congress are spending far more than they did under Bush (the Obama White House states on their website our national debt, not counting unfunded liabilities, will literally double in 10 years and all of that is NEW SPENDING. Ye-HAW).

---your climbing a steep uphill mountain here!!--

He posted verifiable facts which you promptly ignore.

----In the middle of a serious drought in Texas--while Bush was running for president and still governor of Texas--he drained water out of the almost dry Bosque River to fill his ponds on the ranch he bought just before he ran for president while the real ranchers were not allowed to touch that water to water their stock or fields..?---

Who owned that land?

---and he did it just to try to make his ranch look good for TV, not because he was raising cattle or growing any crops...He did it just because he could!!! Yeah, he was and is a hypocrite....and gutless to boot...He is afraid of horses and you've never seen him on one. He thinks ranching is cutting brush in the Bosque for a photo op.---

Much like posing next to the caskets of dead, American soldiers as per our current President?

---Hell, he's neve even stepped in any cow manure. Why, because he has no cattle on that so-called ranch!---

So now the ownership of bovine is a requisite for a ranch? I grew up in a ranch that had no cattle but it was still a ranch. Thank you for again exposing your ignorance on the matter for your vile hatred of the man.

---Obama didn't approve of the NYC jet/AF1 flight over NYC.---

How do you know this? Because he said so? So now you take Obama at his word despite the fact we have him on record as a habitual liar eh?

----GWB did much more and never stooped to apologize for it?---

Such as? Be specific for a change.

---over and over and over and over...read the above.?---

I did read the above but there was nothing of substance in there past your own erroneous assertions backed up with little more than your own words.

---and then go to the Austin Chronicle and dig through the archives to see just how much of the Texas Rangers GWB really owned...1.9% off the money he made from selling his loser company via insider information--a felony--and then Hicks and Rainwater gave--GAVE--him 10% of the team just before he ran for governor so he could prance around saying he owned a major league baseball franchise...while all he really did was drink beer and eat popcorn and wave to baseball fans.---

Really? So you have dug through the Austin Chronicle and hold, in your possession, a large quantity of quality evidence proving GWB was guilty of a felony offense? Care to share your information with the rest of us?


Should I wait for your response before I get into Obama and his many alleged felonious acts including but not limited to embezzlement, fraud, and bribery?

----What in the heck are you talking about? You really need to explain that claim because GWB was always late and without any real relief to anyone because he believed government couldn't work and was out to prove it by making sure it didn't.---

So all of those state owned busses that were sitting, flooded with water, were, what, exactly? Was the failure of the NO government the work of George Bush as well? Did Bush conjure up the hurricane in his magical bunker beneath the Cheney White House?

---Let's see your facts, numbers, realities about the above claim and then make comparisons and contrasts...not just bullshit exclamations & claims without merit. Apparently you actually believe Bush and Brownie did a good job in NO.---

I would love for you to present facts and figures rather than just bullshit assertions and claims with out merit that completely ignore the entire premise of the debate you quite and quite clearly missed. When you are done with that, please show me where in the Constitution a sitting President has the power and authority to send the US Army into a sovereign US State to do what their Governor and State Legislature has not requested.

---You must have approved of 'em until Obama got to be president because every previous president including Nixon had'em! ---

That makes it better right? How many did Nixon have? How many did Bush have? How many does Obama have again? Hmmm.

---Those so-called Czars are in the executive branch and are not required to consult with the house or senate unless called before an oversight committee to testify.---

Factually incorrect. I suggest you read Article II Section II of the US Constitution. There is an argument used by the Executive Branch they claim allows them to lay claim to the fact that Congress has no authority over them which runs contrary to what you just wrote. Perhaps you should acquire an education on the matter before speaking further on an issue for which you are so clearly ill-equipped.

---..and, in such a case, they have to go before the committee..unless they worked for Karl Rove who determined for himself if they would go before a committee, even under subpeona, or not. No administration refused to go before house/senate committees more often than the GWB administration to testify when called by the house/senate--even when the house and senate were controlled by Republicans. Please study some recent history, Mr. Adpo! ---

I suggest you study some history as well before continuing to make erroneous and asinine statements in relation to something you clearly do not understand.

---Every president since Nixon has had such positions so that he could keep up with what is going on under their spheres of limited authority which they media followed up with by calling them Czars...and the name stuck even though the power you seem to attribute to them is nothing like what you and yours seem to want to spin it....Nixon had'em. Carter had'em. Reagan had'em. Bush 1 had'em. Clinton had'em. Bush 2 had'em; lot's of'em!---

Which means what? Nixon made many claims that were not appropriate or accurate as did Clinton and Bush (and Obama for that matter). What is your point? You argue that other Presidents have done so therefore it is ok for Obama to do so? Bush was attacked for his so-called czars in a way Obama has thus far avoided. That was the point of that particular piece of the article. I wonder why it is you failed to see such a simple point.

 

---Bubba, you don't seem to know much about the government or the separation of powers, etc?---

That claim can easily be lain at your feet given what ignorance you have presented thus far. If I had to guess, I would say you acquired your education of the US Government from a cracker jack box.

---Most of the appointive offices in the executive branch have no constitutional support.?---

Name one.

---nor do many of them have constitutional powers.?---

Really? I suggest you read Article II, Section II again before commenting further.

---I suppose that it only worries you when a Democrat is in the WH because the same is the case under Repub presidents, Abdo!---

That is an interesting statement given what is said about a Republican while a Republican is in office compared to what is not said about a Democrat in office who does the same, exact, thing.

Oddly enough, or not, that was the entire point of the article.

---Regarding spending, we can say the same thing about Reagan--who borrowed and spent more in his terms than all previous presidents combined------

FACTUALLY FALSE.

1) Presidents cannot spend or borrow any money not first appropriated by Congress. This is more of your cracker jack civics.

2) Do some remedial research as to who controlled the Congress for the majority of the time Reagan was in power (I will give you a hint, the real answer makes you look silly).

---or as did Bush 1or Bush 2. And while we're at it, why don't you go back to annual budget deficit records, national debt growth records, unemployment records and compare them to Democratic presidents. I think you will be disappointed to find that the BS your party bosses have fed you is not in line with the facts?---

It is a shame you did not take the time to post the facts when you wrote this ignorant tripe because then, perhaps, you would have been educated as to your nonsense and would have realized that the facts of the matter contradict what you claim here. Republicans can be big spenders, sure, but not on the scale of Democrats by any stretch of the imagination ranging from the New Deal, The Great Society, The Vietnam War, the Second New Deal (Obama express), etc.

Furthermore, what political party was in control of the Congress under Bill Clinton when the USA started paying down her debt and started to get the budget under control?

Which political party gained seats when Bush came into office (I will give a hint, a Democrat was the Senate Majority leader by the end of 2001)?

Sure, Republicans have their fair share of financial blood on their hands but not to the degree you would suggest. Your ignorance demonstrated as well as your selective memory here is simply astounding.

---I wish you'd especially take a look at the Reagan unemployment and deficit and debt stats and how long it took for him to get out of the 9%-10& unemployment situation!---

I would wager that you were not a living adult at the time or you would not have made such an asinine statement. There was an interesting reason behind the unemployment and inflation and that was directly related to the previous President who was so terrible in his abilities, allowed Reagan to sweep into office with a near 50 state majority.

Oh and by the way, unemployment is not 10% in the USA today because the USG decided years ago to alter the way they compute and present such data to their favor. The real unemployment rate is somewhere near 15% depending upon whom you ask. This is quite similar to the M3 data from the Fed (I will let you look that one up for yourself).

---I have all of that information for you if you are too lazy, Mr. Adpo, to do your own research. ---

And what research have you done to present your ignorant, nonsensical idea of the world here ? Thus far I have not seen anything from your post but partisan ignorance, libel, and stupidity on a grand scale.

--I know you won't because ideologues like you are much more interested in BS than truth!!! Another typical trait of right wingers...and extreme left wingers....for that matter?---

There are many reasons to loathe Bush but none of what you posted, even what little happens to be accurate, discounts the rampant corruption, ignorance, and stupidity demonstrated in Washington today (especially the Obama White House).

You have embraced outright lie and logical fallacy rather than facing the cold, hard truth: as bad as Bush was, Obama is 10 times worse.

As bad as the Congress was under Bush, which at its peak in Republican hands never had the majorities Obama has today (which means Democrats could stonewall, pass amendments, and filibuster), this current Congress, the Congress we had two years ago of which Obama served, is 10 times worse.

Food for thought boyo.

 
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swhitebull    Evil Fishy   11/19/2009 11:33:06 PM
Masterful Fisking!!
 
 
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Godofgamblers    Austrian question   11/19/2009 11:46:40 PM
  Hold on, hold on, is the Austrian comment a case of Obama knowing too little or too much? I have some friends who have told me that Austrian is quite different from German and a non-German speaker who knows German would have difficulty understanding it. I don't know if you can go as far as saying it is a dialect, but maybe it is. Maybe this is what Obama was referring to.... dunno....Maybe a German speaker can clear this up? (NGI where are you?)
 
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smitty237       11/20/2009 1:27:09 AM

  Hold on, hold on, is the Austrian comment a case of Obama knowing too little or too much? I have some friends who have told me that Austrian is quite different from German and a non-German speaker who knows German would have difficulty understanding it. I don't know if you can go as far as saying it is a dialect, but maybe it is. Maybe this is what Obama was referring to.... dunno....Maybe a German speaker can clear this up? (NGI where are you?)

Well, perhaps a second language Spanish speaker can.  American English is my first language, but as a police officer in a predominantly Mexican district, I speak Spanish nearly every single day.  Most of the time I am dealing with Mexicans, but upon occasion I have had dealings with Guatemalans, Hondurans, El Salvadorans, Cubans, Dominicans, and Ecuadoreans.  All spoke Spanish, but they all spoke very different forms of Spanish.  I am most familiar with Mexican Spanish (for obvious reasons), so that form of the language is easiest for me to understand.  Mexicans, especially well educated ones, are meticulous pronouncers, and the Spanish spoken there is very distinct from the Spanish spoken in Central America, South America, and Europe.  Guatemalans speak very rapidly, but I am slowly learning to keep up.  Cuban and Dominican Spanish, both coming from island nations, has went it's own direction and has its own slang.  Argentinian Spanish is heavily influenced by Italian, and is full of lilts and inflections that you would find in that language. 
My point is that if the President were to go to Paraguay and referred to the "Paraguayan language" he would be laughed off the stage.  Yeah, the Spanish spoken in Paraguay is different that the Spanish spoken in Mexico or Spain, but it is still the same language.  I'm sure that the German spoken in Vienna, Austria is different than the German spoken in Berlin, but it is not different enough to be classified as its own, distinct language.  The distance between Bangor, Maine and San Diego, California is much greater than the distance between Vienna and Berlin, but both cities still speak English, and for the most part the citizens of those cities would be able to understand one another.  Hell, London, England and Melbourne, Australia are half a world apart, but no President has every talked about an "Australian" language.  The point is that Obama made a stupid (or ignorant) mistake when he referred to the "Austrian" language.  If we was referring to the specific idiosyncrasies of the German spoken in Austria then he should have said "Austrian German."  In the President's defense the mistake was probably made by one of his speech writers, but he should have had the education and good sense to spot the mistake and correct it before he said it, or immediately after he said it. 
 
Still, the mainstream media gave Obama a pass on this one that they wouldn't haven't given Bush had he made the same error. 
 
 
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Godofgamblers       11/20/2009 1:52:45 AM
Yeah, don't know who Obama let that slip by. I thought he was a well-educated type of guy. the media always seems to treat Mas Obama with awe though: i remember the bashing Bush got for talking about "the Grecians" .
 
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Godofgamblers       11/20/2009 2:06:19 AM



  Hold on, hold on, is the Austrian comment a case of Obama knowing too little or too much? I have some friends who have told me that Austrian is quite different from German and a non-German speaker who knows German would have difficulty understanding it. I don't know if you can go as far as saying it is a dialect, but maybe it is. Maybe this is what Obama was referring to.... dunno....Maybe a German speaker can clear this up? (NGI where are you?)




Well, perhaps a second language Spanish speaker can.  American English is my first language, but as a police officer in a predominantly Mexican district, I speak Spanish nearly every single day.  Most of the time I am dealing with Mexicans, but upon occasion I have had dealings with Guatemalans, Hondurans, El Salvadorans, Cubans, Dominicans, and Ecuadoreans.  All spoke Spanish, but they all spoke very different forms of Spanish.  I am most familiar with Mexican Spanish (for obvious reasons), so that form of the language is easiest for me to understand.  Mexicans, especially well educated ones, are meticulous pronouncers, and the Spanish spoken there is very distinct from the Spanish spoken in Central America, South America, and Europe.  Guatemalans speak very rapidly, but I am slowly learning to keep up.  Cuban and Dominican Spanish, both coming from island nations, has went it's own direction and has its own slang.  Argentinian Spanish is heavily influenced by Italian, and is full of lilts and inflections that you would find in that language. 


My point is that if the President were to go to Paraguay and referred to the "Paraguayan language" he would be laughed off the stage.  Yeah, the Spanish spoken in Paraguay is different that the Spanish spoken in Mexico or Spain, but it is still the same language.  I'm sure that the German spoken in Vienna, Austria is different than the German spoken in Berlin, but it is not different enough to be classified as its own, distinct language.  The distance between Bangor, Maine and San Diego, California is much greater than the distance between Vienna and Berlin, but both cities still speak English, and for the most part the citizens of those cities would be able to understand one another.  Hell, London, England and Melbourne, Australia are half a world apart, but no President has every talked about an "Australian" language.  The point is that Obama made a stupid (or ignorant) mistake when he referred to the "Austrian" language.  If we was referring to the specific idiosyncrasies of the German spoken in Austria then he should have said "Austrian German."  In the President's defense the mistake was probably made by one of his speech writers, but he should have had the education and good sense to spot the mistake and correct it before he said it, or immediately after he said it. 

 

Still, the mainstream media gave Obama a pass on this one that they wouldn't haven't given Bush had he made the same error. 

 


Austrian German, that's the term i was looking for. You're undoubtedly right in comparing Euro Spanish and Central American Spanish to German and Austrian but using that logic, Obama would be even more off the mark, as the difference between Spanish dialects would be more pronounced due to geography, right? If you follow my thinking, Austrian and german would logically not be so far off due to their close proximity. But again, i am only guessing.
I remember Quayle saying how he wanted to go to Latin America but was embarrassed to not know Latin as it was longer taught in schools.... or was that an urban legend? I'll try to find his speech upon landing in Hawaii, as i remember reading that and thinking it was a classic.
 
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buzzard       11/20/2009 8:53:19 AM
Yeah, don't know who Obama let that slip by. I thought he was a well-educated type of guy. the media always seems to treat Mas Obama with awe though: i remember the bashing Bush got for talking about "the Grecians" .
 
 While this seems to be the accepted meme on Obama, it actually isn't all that true. He's no better educated than Bush. They both has 'C' average type University grades and neither distinguished themselves academically. While it is often cited that Obama was both an editor and President of the Harvard Law Review, it should be noted that he did not write extensively for that journal as is normally the case to attain those positions (he had one article published anonymously). As such, it can't be claimed as much of an intellectual attainment.
 
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Hugo    German or German   11/20/2009 9:53:50 AM

  Hold on, hold on, is the Austrian comment a case of Obama knowing too little or too much? I have some friends who have told me that Austrian is quite different from German and a non-German speaker who knows German would have difficulty understanding it. I don't know if you can go as far as saying it is a dialect, but maybe it is. Maybe this is what Obama was referring to.... dunno....Maybe a German speaker can clear this up? (NGI where are you?)

  It's disappointing perhaps that such a comment was made but then I have often heard that an American invented the automobile also.  Increasing democratization has had the unfortunate result that every new generation of elected officials seems less worldy wise than those before them.
 
There is no such thing as an Austrian or Austrian-German language.  The term Austrian-German or Österreichisch-Deutsch does not exist anywhere.  This is not because the German language does not differentiate, there is a term for Swiss-German or Schwizzerdütsch (I hope SP allows Umlauts) as there is a term for Luxembourgisch - the German spoken in Luxembourg.  There is also a term for the language spoken in parts of Northern Germany and the Netherlands called Plattdeutsch or Niederdeutsch (lower German).  There is the formal High German as originally outlined by Martin Luther and this is the official language of German speaking countries including both  Austria and Germany. 
 
There are a large variety of different dialects within Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and elsewhere in Europe where German is an official language.  An Austrian is generally not difficult for a German to understand, even one from Berlin though this is not true for the Swiss who Northern Germans in particular find very difficult to understand if the Swiss dialect is spoken.  When speaking to non-Swiss, the Swiss adjust their spoken German for the benefit of their listener.  If the German Swiss do not wish to be understood by Germans though, they will switch to French.  In Vienna, as elsewhere in Austria, Hochdeutsch is spoken.  Some of the dialects within Austria are often easier to understand than those in Germany because they are spoken slowly (there are jokes about how Austrians are slow on account of their language) such as the German spoken by Arnold Schwarzenneger who comes from Austria's equivalent of the Appalachian backwoods.
 
There, now you know more than your president.
 
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Hugo       11/20/2009 10:15:58 AM

Incidentally, for those that are interested, not only is there no Austrian language, there is also no Austrian ethnicity.  Austrians are a mix of Germanic tribes, including the Franks (themselves a mixure Frank simply means "Free") Swabians and Bavarians.  Prior to the breakup of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, German speaking Austrians referred to themselves as Germans.

 
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