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Subject: If George W. Bush was an idiot...
Zhang Fei    10/30/2009 8:13:11 AM
(I'm sure everyone's read this by now, but what the heck). Amusing list...:
If George W. Bush had been the first President to need a teleprompter installed to be able to get through a press conference, would you have laughed and said this is more proof of how inept he is on his own and is really controlled by smarter men behind the scenes? If George W. Bush had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to take Laura Bush to a play in NYC, would you have approved? If George W. Bush had reduced your retirement plan's holdings of GM stock by 90% and given the unions a majority stake in GM, would you have approved? If George W. Bush had made a joke at the expense of the Special Olympics, would you have approved? If George W. Bush had given Gordon Brown a set of inexpensive and incorrectly formatted DVDs, when Gordon Brown had given him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved? If George W. Bush had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have thought this embarrassingly narcissistic and tacky? If George W. Bush had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia , would you have approved? If George W. Bush had visited Austria and made reference to the non-existent "Austrian language," would you have brushed it off as a minor slip? If George W. Bush had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current in their income taxes, would you have approved? If George W. Bush had been so Spanish illiterate as to refer to "Cinco de Cuatro" in front of the Mexican ambassador when it was the 5th of May (Cinco de Mayo), and continued to flub it when he tried again, would you have winced in embarrassment? If George W. Bush had mis-spelled the word "advice" would you have hammered him for it for years like Dan Quayle and potatoe as proof of what a dunce he is? If George W. Bush had burned 9,000 gallons of jet fuel to go plant a single tree on Earth Day, would you have concluded he's a hypocrite? If George W. Bush's administration had okayed Air Force One flying low over millions of people followed by a jet fighter in downtown Manhattan causing widespread panic, would you have wondered whether they actually get what happened on 9-11? If George W. Bush had failed to send relief aid to flood victims throughout the Midwest with more people killed or made homeless than in New Orleans , would you want it made into a major ongoing political issue with claims of racism and incompetence? If George W. Bush had created the position of 32 Czars who report directly to him, bypassing the House and Senate on much of what is happening in America , would you have approved? If George W. Bush had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved? If George W Bush had proposed to double the national debt, which had taken more than two centuries to accumulate, in one year, would you have approved? If George W. Bush had then proposed to double the debt again within 10 years, would you have approved? So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive? Can't think of anything? Don't worry. He's done all this in 5 months -- so you'll have three years and seven months to come up with an answer.
 
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YelliChink       10/30/2009 12:42:34 PM

Comparing what Yelli and Johnnny write, they either are roomates, good friends or log cabin conservatives who spend alot of time together coming up with this hilarious virulence.

You forgot the part of shooting buddy.
 
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smitty237    Virulence?   10/30/2009 3:14:21 PM

Comparing what Yelli and Johnnny write, they either are roomates, good friends or log cabin conservatives who spend alot of time together coming up with this hilarious virulence.
Hmmmm......  If they can't dismiss criticisms of The Dear Leader Obama as outright lies or the product of kooky conspiracies, then they brand them as mean-spirited hate speech.  The fact that every one of them is true is irrelevant.  Oh, you forgot to mention the time Obama said that he had visited "fifty seven (57)" states...........

 
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sentinel28a       10/30/2009 3:29:44 PM
Hey, every President (or candidate, in this case) puts their foot in their mouth, so I give Obama a pass on his "57 states" comment.  It happens.
 
The point that you're missing here, Nan, perhaps purposely, is that you and others here on SP (namely Plutarch) would've been all over Bush and/or Cheney like stink on poop if they had made any one of these gaffes.  We'd probably be hearing stuff on how Cheney is wiping his butt with the Constitution or how Haliburton provided the iPod in return for kickbacks.  Obama's done some pretty damn dumb things in the past year, and what do we hear from our brave defenders of the Constitution? 
 
Silence.  Or worse, accusations of "hate speech." 
 
Everything listed above has happened.  I don't jump on Obama for small things like mispronouncing Spanish, or making a reference to the Austrian language, getting the format wrong on DVDs, or even taking Michelle out for a night on the town.  Hey, that's fine--I'm up in front of an audience six hours a day, and I make mistakes all the time...and if you're the President, you deserve a perk or two for all the BS you have to put up with.  Yet if any of this would've happened on Bush's watch, there would be screams of the murder bloody.  But since Obama's doing it, it's okay.
 
We common folk have a word for that: hypocrisy.
 
When it becomes "hate speech" to criticize the President or make fun of him, we're no longer living in the United States.  We're living in the Soviet Union when Stalin was in charge. 
 
 
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harley    Everyone of them is not true...   11/19/2009 4:12:39 PM
Mike,
 
I am pretty kind to Mr. Abdo or Adpo or whatever his name is.  Please pass this on to him.  Read it and see if I was too kind to him.  If I was, I will spice it up.  Let me know!
 
Harley
 
If George W. Bush had been the first President to need a teleprompter installed to be able to get through a press conference, would you have laughed and said this is more proof of how he inept he is on his own and is really controlled by smarter men behind the scenes?
 
Oh boy, that's a real crime against the country; a teleprompter problem; even a screwed up report about it.
 
George W Bush actually had a harder time with the teleprompter than Obama does..or than did LBJ, RMN, GF, JC, RWR, GHWB....WJC had no such problems...Of Course, GWB rarely got through a press conference with out a major gaffe anyway.

f George W. Bush had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to take Laura Bush to a play in NYC, would you have approved?  But GWB did take Laura to C&W concerts, Kennedy Center concerts, and all kinds of things..many, many more times than any other president ever did or ever has or probably ever will...not to mention more vacation months than any president is history.  Mr. Adpo, check the Bush travel stats so you get a more informed knowledge of reality.

...GM stock by 90% and given the unions a majority stake in GM, would you have approved? Because of GWB's administration's lack of oversight and lack of use of regulations in place and because of his approval of the redistribution from the middle class consumer to the thieves of The National Corporate Security State, those things mentioned above happened.  Because of GWBush's imposition of laissez faireism, Wall Street and the corporatists did in the middle class consumer, minimized their buying power and junked down the US economy to its lowest level since the Great Depression...and from which we have not and will not recover soon....

If George W. Bush had made a joke at the expense of the Special Olympics,would you have approved?  George Bush made jokes of the 9-11 bombings, the lost weapons of mass destruction, disabled Americans and just about anything else he could think of and declared "Mission Accomplished" over the bodies of may too many dead Americans who died and were maimed by his crusade in the Mideast but his chauvinist followers conveniently forget all of that!

If George W. Bush had given Gordon Brown a set of inexpensive and incorrectly formatted DVDs, when Gordon Brown had given him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved?  Nope...and Obama had the class and decency to correct that staff error...something GWB never did when he screwed up...because GWB could never think of a mistake he ever made before or during his WH years.

If George W. Bush had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have thought this embarrassingly narcissistic and tacky?  He did that because the Queen asked for them...something Abdo seems to
 
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harley    Everyone of them is not true...   11/19/2009 4:16:11 PM
For a primer on mis-statements, gaffes, etc., "google" up BUSHISMS!  There is enough in just one of the sites--not to mention them all--to keep your sides hurting for a week or two....You will laugh--or cry--
 
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Panther       11/19/2009 4:51:52 PM
I wished i could have warned the opposition off of their irrational BDS before it was too late! Oh wait... i did and on numerous occasions.
 
Regretfully i say this, you reap what you sow! Unfortunately for the rest of us, now our country is paying the price for the past eight years of the constant irrational vitriol directed at the Bush administration. My advice to my countrymen to left of me, don't take it so personally. By the time President Obama's administration is over you will be thanking god for Presidential term limits. That is... if we are not a full blown dictatorship by then!
 
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EvilFishy    What a load of bovine excrement.    11/19/2009 6:47:50 PM

What a load of manure.

The intent of that article is clear: Obama is doing the very things, with little or no public outcry for which Bush was crucified in the area of public opinion.

Yes, other Presidents have done different things (and they were treated DIFFERENTLY).


Example? George H.W. Bush gave a speech to school children that was viciously attacked by the media as propaganda ploy. Obama did something similar and worse, he included partisan homework (later removed) and he received a full pass.

This is a matter of hypocrisy and the fact that you cannot see this speaks volumes either of your partisan blindness or your mental inadequacies.

I say this as a person with a disdain and loathing for Bush that cannot be adequately be articulated in any language.

As much displeasure as I hold for Bush, I hold more so for liars and hypocrites.

With all that said, this will be fun.

 

-----Oh boy, that's a real crime against the country; a teleprompter problem; even a screwed up report about it. ----

Red herring. No claim was made that poor public speaking skills amounted to a criminal offense. The point was hypocrisy. President Obama relies almost exclusively upon teleprompters; more so than any other President in US history. The ability to read from a teleprompter is but ONE avenue that must be mastered to master public speaking.

-----George W Bush actually had a harder time with the teleprompter than Obama does..or than did LBJ, RMN, GF, JC, RWR, GHWB....WJC----

Factually False as can be seen from observing speeches given from George W. Bush. When comparing major speeches given by GWB with Obama, it is clear for all to see who has the difficulty with the teleprompter (see head bob, left to right, left to right for further edification).

Furthermore, all Presidents have their shares of gaffes and public speak faux paux . This is a matter of public record and I suggest you do some menial research on the matter

----had no such problems...Of Course, GWB rarely got through a press conference with out a major gaffe anyway.----

The same can be said of Obama so what is your point? The point of the article was the incessant claim that GWB was a babbling, incoherent idiot. His public speaking skills were average at best but then again, Obama-s public speaking skills are average as well.

Have you seen Obama give a speech with out a teleprompter? I have; it was excruciating between the fumbling, the uhs, and ohs, etc.

Have you seen Obama both a speech via a teleprompter? I have; Obama even had the distinct pleasure of reading another man-s speech and then introducing himself to himself. How quaint.

--- But GWB did take Laura to C&W concerts, Kennedy Center concerts, and all kinds of things..many, many more times than any other president ever did or ever has or probably ever will..---

Do you have a number to support this claim and information to explain why such a number would matter? You are confusing your irrelevant and meaningless number of vacation days with parties, leaves of absence (actual leave), and out right disappearances (as occurred with John Adams) Perhaps you should take the time to do some basic research before spouting off with nonsense. Long vacations are historic precedent by Presidents including James Madison , Thomas Jefferson , and John Adams.

 

 

----not to mention more vacation months than any president is history. Mr. Adpo, check the Bush travel stats so you get a more informed knowledge of reality.--Irrelevant. Unlike Presidents of the 19th and early 20th centuries, we have this invention called telecommunications involving the internet and telephone communications. The fact that Bush was not physically present in D.C. and in the White House is irrelevant as he always had a mobile communications center around him (as all modern Presidents do).

Again, logical fallacy takes precedent over the truth and point of the article: Bush was hammered for taking vacation days (even days he WAS WORKING on his ranch including doing his Constitutional duty entertaining foreign leaders as head of state) by many INCLUDING the current President Obama.

Given what Obama has said in the past, this smacks of RANK hypocrisy. Furthermore, if Obama persists at his current rate, he may yet beat Bush by your arithmetic as he has already played more golf, given more press conferences, and di

 
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swhitebull    Evil Fishy   11/19/2009 11:33:06 PM
Masterful Fisking!!
 
 
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Godofgamblers    Austrian question   11/19/2009 11:46:40 PM
  Hold on, hold on, is the Austrian comment a case of Obama knowing too little or too much? I have some friends who have told me that Austrian is quite different from German and a non-German speaker who knows German would have difficulty understanding it. I don't know if you can go as far as saying it is a dialect, but maybe it is. Maybe this is what Obama was referring to.... dunno....Maybe a German speaker can clear this up? (NGI where are you?)
 
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smitty237       11/20/2009 1:27:09 AM

  Hold on, hold on, is the Austrian comment a case of Obama knowing too little or too much? I have some friends who have told me that Austrian is quite different from German and a non-German speaker who knows German would have difficulty understanding it. I don't know if you can go as far as saying it is a dialect, but maybe it is. Maybe this is what Obama was referring to.... dunno....Maybe a German speaker can clear this up? (NGI where are you?)

Well, perhaps a second language Spanish speaker can.  American English is my first language, but as a police officer in a predominantly Mexican district, I speak Spanish nearly every single day.  Most of the time I am dealing with Mexicans, but upon occasion I have had dealings with Guatemalans, Hondurans, El Salvadorans, Cubans, Dominicans, and Ecuadoreans.  All spoke Spanish, but they all spoke very different forms of Spanish.  I am most familiar with Mexican Spanish (for obvious reasons), so that form of the language is easiest for me to understand.  Mexicans, especially well educated ones, are meticulous pronouncers, and the Spanish spoken there is very distinct from the Spanish spoken in Central America, South America, and Europe.  Guatemalans speak very rapidly, but I am slowly learning to keep up.  Cuban and Dominican Spanish, both coming from island nations, has went it's own direction and has its own slang.  Argentinian Spanish is heavily influenced by Italian, and is full of lilts and inflections that you would find in that language. 
My point is that if the President were to go to Paraguay and referred to the "Paraguayan language" he would be laughed off the stage.  Yeah, the Spanish spoken in Paraguay is different that the Spanish spoken in Mexico or Spain, but it is still the same language.  I'm sure that the German spoken in Vienna, Austria is different than the German spoken in Berlin, but it is not different enough to be classified as its own, distinct language.  The distance between Bangor, Maine and San Diego, California is much greater than the distance between Vienna and Berlin, but both cities still speak English, and for the most part the citizens of those cities would be able to understand one another.  Hell, London, England and Melbourne, Australia are half a world apart, but no President has every talked about an "Australian" language.  The point is that Obama made a stupid (or ignorant) mistake when he referred to the "Austrian" language.  If we was referring to the specific idiosyncrasies of the German spoken in Austria then he should have said "Austrian German."  In the President's defense the mistake was probably made by one of his speech writers, but he should have had the education and good sense to spot the mistake and correct it before he said it, or immediately after he said it. 
 
Still, the mainstream media gave Obama a pass on this one that they wouldn't haven't given Bush had he made the same error. 
 
 
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