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Subject: Fox Is THE Radio Free America
CJH    10/24/2009 10:52:59 AM
?Radio Free America? by Cal Th... Quote - During the Cold War, the Voice of America and Radio Free Europe were among the broadcast entities that effectively penetrated the Iron Curtain to deliver truth to the "captive nations" that were being fed a steady dose of propaganda by their communist rulers. Those dictators did everything they could to "jam" the signals so that their people would only hear what their unelected overseers wanted them to hear. Contemporary versions of jamming and other forms of censorship occur today in Venezuela, Cuba and many other places where dictators believe public ignorance is essential to their unchallenged rule. While the Obama administration is the product of an election, its approach to Fox News Channel, conservative talk radio and possibly the Internet appears similar to dictators who desire control over the flow of information in order to enhance their power. - End Quote Political leaders, going back to our founding, have criticized the press. It never works, because after the politicians leave office, the press remains. If the administration is seeking approval for its policies, it should go on the only channel that will confront, examine and question those policies. If the policies are valid, they will stand; if not, they won't and they shouldn't. But perhaps, like those dictators, the administration would rather jam Fox's "signal" because they don't want the public to know the truth about what they are doing. Quote - - End Quote
 
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Le Zookeeper    during the cold war   10/25/2009 11:08:56 PM
reagan started deficit financing- that was the end of America - as GW said voodoo economics -as herc said ponzi is us.
 
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Le Zookeeper    BBC rules FOX sux, CNN is ok, 40 years in America- no trust for fox yet-get someone else   10/25/2009 11:15:37 PM

O'Reilly , Gretta, Wallace, Hume and Cavuto are the most objective people in all of news mdia, their only "agenda" is the truth, period.


I would not put O'Reilly in that group. I agree that the fox NEWS people like Wallace, and Hume are some of the best in the game, but O'Reilly is an opinion guy like Beck and Hannity. I know he is not as far to the right as those guys, or at least he tries not to be lately, but he has opinion show and is a conservative.

 

Fox those not hide who they are. Beck and Hannity say they are conservative opinion guys, but Fox also has news guys like Wallace who are top class guys. That is more than I can say for CNN and especially MSNBC, or as I like to call them Team Obama. Those Two networks are almost 24/7 Obama cheerleaders.

 

One more thing: I can't stand Gretta for some reason, she needs to go!



 
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buzzard       10/26/2009 2:28:57 PM
Actually each telecom does have the complete ability to control what goes out over its pipelines, but you don't have one clue as to how that stuff works so keep swallowing the kool aid and throwing bibles at gay people.
 
 Did anyone ever claim that they didn't have such an ability? Nice straw man there with the added in obligatory tarring of all conservatives as religious extremists. Got a real argument hidden in there by chance? I'm betting no. When you have a corporation which can control what goes out over all competing pipes, you might have a vestige of a point. In the meantime, blocking information means you rile customers, and the word will get out. In what remains of our free market economy, you can always find another vendor. I don't need to be 'protected' from a company when I can simply stop doing business with them.

Gov't control of how corporations manage the internet is neutrality, even more so when you consider that DARPA provided the seed funding for the internet.  If HP, ATT, IBM or Xerox had bought into the idea, things would be much much worse.
 
 Government control can be neutrality if, and only if, the government decides it wants to be neutral. The minute it decides it no longer wants to be, who the hell is going to stop them? At that point they control the lot of it, and good luck looking for an alternate source.
 
China manages their networks and their news institutions. That's not quite neutral how they do it now is it?
 
Dumb, stupid conservatives.
 
 Pot. Kettle. Black.
 
Net neutrality is a power grab in search of a problem. It's also a blatant case of some companies trying to use the government against other companies to protect their bottom line (heard of Google right?). 
 
I won't bother asking you to take off your patented anti-corporate tinfoil hat because I know you love it so.
 
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sentinel28a       10/27/2009 5:00:18 AM
FDR did deficit financing.  Was that voodoo economics too, Zoo?  (Wow, that rhymed.  I'm a poet and I don't know it.)
 
Getting back on topic...Obama's "war" on Fox News is the biggest joke of all.  What, they say something about him and he can't handle it?  Poor widdle guy.  Welcome to the big league, Barack, where the entire world doesn't beat a path to your door to kiss your ass.  Presidents a hell of a lot more competent than you would've killed to have your coverage.
 
This is just incredible.  MSNBC screamed some of the worst slander against Bush possible, CBS outright lied, the NYT made it a personal vendetta to "get Bush," and Air America threatened to actually kill him.  Did Evil Bushitler call any of those organizations "not really news organizations" or shut them out of the White House, or encourage other news networks not to use their stories?  No, he pretty much just ignored them. 
 
Fox dares to question Obama, and Obama acts like they threatened to rape his dog or something.  For someone who likes to be compared to Kennedy and FDR, Obama needs to, well, grow up.  Kennedy and FDR would've just shrugged, made a joke, and got to the serious task of actually governing the country.
 
Well, FDR might have called Fox Nazis, but I doubt it.
 
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sentinel28a       10/27/2009 5:03:29 AM
I threw a D&D book at a gay person once.  What else could I do? He screwed my character out of 221 gp, the dirty bastard.  I think it was the Unearthed Arcana book.
 
Does that count? I'd hate to lose my status as an Evil Conservative.
 
 
 
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warpig       10/27/2009 9:35:03 AM

I threw a D&D book at a gay person once.  What else could I do? He screwed my character out of 221 gp, the dirty bastard.  I think it was the Unearthed Arcana book.

 

Does that count? I'd hate to lose my status as an Evil Conservative.

 

 



 
Well, then at least you were still playing 1st Edition, the only *REAL* version of AD&D that's worth playing!  ;-)
 
P.S.  My same group of gaming friends since high school and I still play 1st Ed AD&D once a month in the same campaign world we started over 30years ago!
 
P.P.S.  As far as I know, none of us are homosexual.  Even Chris finally got married a couple years ago, so if any of them are, they're hiding it well.
 
P.P.P.S.  Well, what do you know, sometimes Conservatism really *IS* about resisting change!
 

Change Is Scary
 
 
 
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buzzard       10/27/2009 10:10:17 AM
While I did enjoy 1st edition in the day, I actually liked the rules changes that came about in 3rd edition and now Pathfinder. I never had much use for 2nd edition, and I think 4th edition isn't D&D anymore.
 
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warpig    All I Needed To Know About Politics, I Learned From D&D   10/27/2009 10:21:18 AM

While I did enjoy 1st edition in the day, I actually liked the rules changes that came about in 3rd edition and now Pathfinder. I never had much use for 2nd edition, and I think 4th edition isn't D&D anymore.


Well, here is American politics in a nutshell:
 
Conservatives think AD&D "evolution" should have stopped with Unearthed Arcana, as AD&D was already perfect from the beginning.
 
Libertarians think the ultimate expression of the individual is found in 3.5E (or Pathfinder, now that 3.5E is no longer supported), where anyone can play anything with any combination of feats and skills they feel like taking.
 
Liberals just can't stop changing a good thing until it's been twisted into something unrecognizable, and want to play SuperheroVideogameD&D, a.k.a. 4th Edition.
 
 
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buzzard       10/27/2009 10:50:17 AM
That's far closer to the truth than it ought to be.
 
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Vulture       10/27/2009 10:55:01 AM
Warpig - thank you for that insight.
Sentinel and the rest players of  "The Game"  congrats on reaffirming my faith.
 
 
 
/Started with 3 pamphlet books and Greyhawk in '78.  Enjoyed years of 1st and quit when 2nd edition came out.  Played 3.5 online for a bit and threw up when I read 4th and wondered if I was the one in an alternate reality.
 
 

 
 
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