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Subject: Unbiased reporting the the health care industry
Nanheyangrouchuan    10/16/2009 9:49:43 PM
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Zhang Fei       10/19/2009 9:24:24 PM
I have to wonder what the media reaction would be if Fox News reporters started calling liberal demonstrators fudge packers..
 
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usajoe1       10/20/2009 5:11:06 AM
Msnbc is nothing but far left network, from top to bottom.
 
CNN is a boring version of Msnbc
 
Fox is more to the right but its news guys like Shepard Smith, Chris Wallace, and Bret Baier are some of the best in the business. Its opinion guys like Hannity, Oreilly and Beck are entertaining. Fox news has news and opinion unlike the other two, which are cheerleaders for the Obama administration, almost 24/7
 
That is why Fox news destroys both of those networks put together in ratings.
 
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sentinel28a       10/20/2009 2:59:19 PM
I think Fox is too sensationalistic in its news coverage.  I like Shep Smith, but every time the guy comes on, I think of Don Henley's song "Dirty Laundry":
 
The bubbleheaded bleached blonde comes on at five
She can tell you about the plane crash with a gleam in her eye
It's interesting when people die
 
I think that of other talking heads too (the song is more appropriate for Katie Couric).  As I've said before, I think O'Reilly is a great author but a poor host (with his penchant for overriding everyone when they try to talk), Hannity is okay, Beck is just insane, Greta van Susteren only seems to come alive when something happens to blonde white girls.  All that said, it's fine with me if Fox wants to lean right.  It's fine with me if MSNBC wants to lean left, though their mindless, Pravda-like worship of Obama is disgusting to watch.  CNN isn't much better.
 
What angers me is when the left and the Obama administration bitch and gripe about Fox criticizing the President.  So it was okay for CNN and MSNBC to go after Bush hammer and tongs, but now that the shoe is on the other foot, it's not okay?  Conservatives want a voice on talk radio and a network that listens to them, but that's not okay?  No, no...it has to be the left's message and only the left. 
 
How very, well, Nazi of them.
 
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Zhang Fei       10/20/2009 7:40:28 PM
I think that of other talking heads too (the song is more appropriate for Katie Couric).  As I've said before, I think O'Reilly is a great author but a poor host (with his penchant for overriding everyone when they try to talk), Hannity is okay, Beck is just insane, Greta van Susteren only seems to come alive when something happens to blonde white girls.  All that said, it's fine with me if Fox wants to lean right.
 
These are commentary, not news programs. The people you highlighted are not reporters. CNN's Campbell Brown is a reporter. Anderson Cooper is a reporter. They spent the Bush years lashing out at Bush every chance they got, and have spent the past nine months treating Ogabe as a conquering hero, and rubber-stamping all his initiatives, while trashing his opponents as extremists, racists, teabaggers and so on. In the meantime, the only really bad thing Beck has said is to call Ogabe a racist. Note that he did not call Ogabe's followers as a whole racists.
 
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Zhang Fei       10/20/2009 10:30:28 PM
Krauthammer on Ogabe and the media...:
 
Look, the great sin of Fox News is it broke the monopoly of the liberal media.

 

That's the reason why it is so wildly successful. I once said years ago that the genius of Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch is to have discovered a niche audience of American broadcast news, namely, half of the American people.

 

And the other consequence is that it angers the Obama administration, which is used to, particularly after last year, wall-to-wall adulation.

 

I mean, this is almost comical if you look at the lineup. On the one hand, in the tank are NBC, ABC, CBS, NPR, PBS, CNN and MSNBC. Some of these like MSNBC are so in the tank they need scuba gear. Some of them occasionally emerge for a breath of air, but only occasionally.

 

And Fox stands up and refuses to bend a knee, and that's what they can't stand.

 

Look, CNN was patted on the head by the Obama administration as objective. CNN is an organization that a few weeks ago had a fact-checking on a "Saturday Night Live" skit that was mildly critical of Obama, but did no fact checking on wildly, grotesquely, libelous racist statements allegedly made by Rush Limbaugh which were not made by Rush Limbaugh.

 

?That's not a matter of sloppiness. That's a matter of ideology.

 
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Zhang Fei       10/21/2009 6:20:27 PM
The repulsive... audacity of Ogabe:
It is one thing for the government, the administration, to attack opponents, institutions, media. It is another to go out and try and delegitimize them and destroy them.

 

I thought it was sort of repulsive audacity on the part of the administration to go out and to declare Fox is not a real news organization, particularly when there might be big companies out there who might think twice about having an ad on Fox or other news media who might think twice about following a Fox story because it might incur the displeasure of the administration.

 

Similarly, to go after the Chamber of Commerce — you can argue against it, defend yourself on the arguments — but to try to induce defections as a way to destroy it is a new level. It's Chicago-level politics.

 

Look, there is nothing illegal about it. It is not unconstitutional. But it is outside the Democratic norms of our society, which is Madisonian.

 

Our idea is that you have — as a way to protect against tyranny in government — the growth, the interaction, and the clash of what Madison called "factions" but what we call "interests," special and otherwise. You argue, interact and you clash. But you don't undermine, delegitimize, and destroy.

 

That is the Madisonian way, and we are getting, instead, is the Chicago way.

?.It isn't a question of defending the Chamber. It is a question of being offended by a certain style of politics. And that's what I think is the problem here.

 
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Zhang Fei       10/21/2009 6:44:10 PM
Network and print political commentators invited to the White House (except for Fox News commentators, of course)
Here's a curious turn in the White House vs. Fox News fight.

On Monday, MSNBC's Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow were among several people who attended an off-the-record briefing with Pres. Obama at the White House. Sources tell us other attendees at the two-and-a-half hour chat included Eugene Robinson of the Washington Post, Maureen Dowd of the New York Times, Gwen Ifill of PBS and Gloria Borger of CNN. Perhaps not surprisingly, no one from Fox News was in the room.

This fact quickly turned into ammunition for the folks at FOX. Last night on "Special Report," Bret Baier revealed the information pointing out that opinion hosts from one channel were being invited to a briefing with the Commander-in-Chief, all the while Fox was declared not a news organization.

 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       10/21/2009 8:10:23 PM
It is shocking to see Johnny Fei's worshiping one of the media's and world's wealthiest and influential people when Murdoch is an unabashed, out front panda licker.  The only joy I get from hearing about Murdoch is how much he is constantly losing in China trying to buy media access and how his Chinese wife (a general's daughter, married him for money, her for attempted influence) is going to tear his family and company apart as she is laying claim to a huge amount of the family fortune and News Corp.
 
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Zhang Fei       10/21/2009 10:08:09 PM
It is shocking to see Johnny Fei's worshiping one of the media's and world's wealthiest and influential people when Murdoch is an unabashed, out front panda licker. 
 
I find it amusing how you have yet again not addressed any of the criticisms leveled at the so-called anchor reporters who turn their news programs into commentary programs with epithets like teabaggers - that wouldn't be tolerated on the conservative side of the commentary spectrum.
 
And this stuff about panda licking is silly - News Corp papers and channels publish all the dirt about China, just like all the other media companies. The Wall Street Journal has consistently provided critical coverage about China, even stooping to cover the latest hysteria over drywall issues (which I consider a combination of psychosomatic bunk and trial lawyer over-reaching).
 
Murdoch is a businessman. All over the world, Murdoch owns both explicitly liberal and conservative papers. In the US, all media are explicitly liberal. He saw the niche (50% of the population is a big niche) and moved right in - a conservative news channel for people who were tired of Tweedledee and Tweedledum liberal news channels.
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       10/22/2009 12:01:36 AM

It is shocking to see Johnny Fei's worshiping one of the media's and world's wealthiest and influential people when Murdoch is an unabashed, out front panda licker. 

 

I find it amusing how you have yet again not addressed any of the criticisms leveled at the so-called anchor reporters who turn their news programs into commentary programs with epithets like teabaggers - that wouldn't be tolerated on the conservative side of the commentary spectrum.

 

And this stuff about panda licking is silly - News Corp papers and channels publish all the dirt about China, just like all the other media companies. The Wall Street Journal has consistently provided critical coverage about China, even stooping to cover the latest hysteria over drywall issues (which I consider a combination of psychosomatic bunk and trial lawyer over-reaching).


 

Murdoch is a businessman. All over the world, Murdoch owns both explicitly liberal and conservative papers. In the US, all media are explicitly liberal. He saw the niche (50% of the population is a big niche) and moved right in - a conservative news channel for people who were tired of Tweedledee and Tweedledum liberal news channels.


Fox wouldn't use "teabag" because conservatives wince at any talk of sex.  But they sure do love stereotyping.
We are in your head Johnny and it shows in your tirades.
 
 
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