"Secular fundamentalism is the belief system which buttresses the creed of political and economic liberalism just as the Biblically-based beliefs of Judaism and Christianity buttress the creed of political and economic conservatism."

Enemy of God - Someone who has willfully rejected the God of the Bible, is actively opposed to obedience to the will of the God of the Bible and actively strives to suppress God's influence over the public life of their society.

The funny thing is that they are only against YHWH, but not Allah. When it comes to Christianity, it's everything bad, and we should have separation of church and state and no religious symbol in schools, court houses and public buildings, no prayers in school is allowed, even in private. When it comes to Islam, it's all about cultural sensitivity. They can excuse for prayers five times a day, and others aren't tolerated for interrupt their religious activity. They can have multi-religion rooms in public buildings and use all the time. They can even complain to get footwash set up for them. All in the name of muslim sensitivity.

 

Why Buddhism, Hinduism,  Voodoo and all other religions aren't the problem? Because we (non-muslim and non-Christians) follow the rules and recognize the US is indeed a nation founded on Judeo-Christian value, and not come here to dominate or change things.

 

Thus, I think you're wrong about the situation. It's not Atheists against Believers. Modern Socialism (which includes modern liberalism) are taught to hate everything Western and Jewish, including and especially the religion, and to accept whatever non-Western in the face value, even when the outsider's value is in total contradictory to theirs (e.g. Feminism vs Sharia law).

 

Nonetheless, there is a thing or two about Socialism (exclude Atheist Communism) and Islam that I don't quite follow yet. There is something between the two that glue them together ideologically. Maybe I need to study Islamic ideas a bit more to understand that sort of thinking.

¹⁶I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. ¹⁷For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last,^[c] just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."^[d]

 ¹⁸The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, ¹⁹since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. ²⁰For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

 

²⁴Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. ²⁵They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

 ²⁶Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. ²⁷In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

 ²⁸Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. ²⁹They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, ³⁰slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; ³¹they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.

As there is no empirical proof of an entity called God. There never will be, and hence all debate nowadays is essentially for political mileage of sorts. If you are in Ohio religion as a poll issue is a plus in California pot legalization is a plus. One thing does confound me though, in Europe religion is by and large out the door in the US despite high levels of education religion seems to be important. In UK itself some of our ways would be laughed at on the Benny Hill show.

There is no impirical evidence that you really exist either.

 

To the extent that you believe that there is empirical evidence that you are alive at the least, there is empirical evidence that the God of the Bible created you.

"Secular fundamentalism is the belief system which buttresses the creed of political and economic liberalism just as the Biblically-based beliefs of Judaism and Christianity buttress the creed of political and economic conservatism."

Enemy of God - Someone who has willfully rejected the God of the Bible, is actively opposed to obedience to the will of the God of the Bible and actively strives to suppress God's influence over the public life of their society.

You can see me for one, I respond in real time. I do not want to debate any religion specifically but it would seem strange that the son of God made such an apperance 2000 years ago. It would have to be something more dramatic or low key
prescence. God or his sons need not advertise themselves or publish a book. That seems a little lame.

 

Just try and comprehend this-pop come Jesus from nowhere proclaims he is son of God and pop comes a book "The Bible" the instruction manual from God. Barnes and Nobles probably thought of this to increase book sales. Please its 2009 the era of the F-22 , aliens are more likely.

Its the religious dogmatic lobby that forces other individuals to follow their religion even though some firmly believe that Christianity is not by any means "the true religion" simply cannot be , scientifically impossible, it just produced one miracle -a bestseller called the Bible. There are few religions that could be true, but that too is impossible to prove. Secularism judges people beyond their religious beliefs and hence is th bedrock of freedom. Secularism does not restricts, it lets each individual belive and practice his/her faith without the political/legislativebody imposing its values from a single book or tablet.

Christianity is the seat of freedom.

 

The Soviet Union was a secular society.

 

Nazi Germany was secular in the sense that Hitler took the place of God in the minds of the people there. But actually, I believe that Germany had rejected God as a society before Hitler. That's why the Germans lacked the moral courage to stand up to the Nazis. Germany had been the leading source of liberal theology for the world from the nineteenth century, I believe.

 

Barbarism and oppression have been the rule in just about every civilization down through history. If you migrated to this country, you did so for some reason based on freedom here and oppression elsewhere. Everyone has wanted to move here. We do not see mass migration from here to some country which has prided itself on its secularism.

The USA was founded a Christian country and that is where this country's association with liberty originates.

 

There is no freedom apart from law. God's law is the foundation for the potential of all genuine freedom on the earth.

Most religions are autocratic or socialist. CHristianity is neither but it definitely tends towards socialism, its a bad comparison but Jesus died for humaity he did not charge an insurance premium.

 

Which brand and which period of Christianity are you talking about? Not Evangelical churches or Church of Later Day Saints for sure.

Yup, thanks for characterising our position so succinctly. I'll put it another way ... feel free to follow your beliefs about being a subject to an imaginary supernatural being if you like, but kindly desist from shoving it down other people's throat.

Christianity have reformed and reinvented itself many times since 30 Year War that decimated Central Europe. Some early Pilgrims escaped England because they can't stand the stench of institutionalized religious/political power. You can hardly call Christian is the seat of freedom when the Pope sent inquisitors to torture people. You can hardly call Christianity the seat of freedom when Catholicism and Protestantism were used by hostile political entities for power grab. Of course, you can't say that when tens of thousands were massacred for being in the wrong church. Nonetheless, it indeed pushed a lot of people who had enough of the kind of crap in old Europe to America and formed 13 colonies of England.......

 

Nazis are cultists who are pagan. They deem swastika a Teutonic/Aryan symbol, not a Christian one. Many European nations have cross in their flag to reveal that they are indeed Christians. That is not the case for Nazis.

I migrated to escape repression and curfew at my home (not home country but at home). I was inspired to move to America not by the pope, the bill of rights, money- but by John Belushi and Dan Akroyd from their Bible- the movie "Animal House". Toga Toga!!!