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Subject: Poland and Czech kicked in the nuts by the US
YelliChink    9/17/2009 10:33:06 AM
edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/17/missile.defense.shield/index.html [quote] But Biden explained the logic of doing so, saying Iran -- a key concern for the United States -- was not a threat. "I think we are fully capable and secure dealing with any present or future potential Iranian threat," Biden said in Baghdad, where he is on a brief trip. ... "This is catastrophic for Poland," said the spokeswoman, who declined to be named in line with ministry policy. advertisement Poland and the Czech Republic had based much of their future security policy on getting the missile defenses from the United States. The countries share deep concerns of a future military threat from the east -- namely, Russia -- and may look for other defense assurances from their NATO allies. [unquote]
 
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Jimme       9/18/2009 8:13:19 PM

Perhaps I missed some or didn't read all the releases but I understand the US is going to place multiple land based Aegis Radars and SM-3 interceptors in an arc covering the approaches to europe from Iran. It would be cheaper and quicker to install with already proven equipment and significantly more interceptors. Longer ranged radar is space-based anyhow. I believe Israel is considering the same option. Till that is done Aegis ships would be stationed in the Med and Black Seas. Sounds reasonable to me.   

Point is Russia got what it wanted and we got NOTHING in return. Even if you were going to do this anyways,why not tell the Russians hey, We want You to totally cut off Iran, Leave Georgia, and a list of other things, and we will scrap the Missile shield project. They don't have to know we planned to do it anyways.
 
But no, now we look incredibly weak and our allies feel betrayed.
 
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eldnah       9/18/2009 9:50:25 PM



Perhaps I missed some or didn't read all the releases but I understand the US is going to place multiple land based Aegis Radars and SM-3 interceptors in an arc covering the approaches to europe from Iran. It would be cheaper and quicker to install with already proven equipment and significantly more interceptors. Longer ranged radar is space-based anyhow. I believe Israel is considering the same option. Till that is done Aegis ships would be stationed in the Med and Black Seas. Sounds reasonable to me.   





Point is Russia got what it wanted and we got NOTHING in return. Even if you were going to do this anyways,why not tell the Russians hey, We want You to totally cut off Iran, Leave Georgia, and a list of other things, and we will scrap the Missile shield project. They don't have to know we planned to do it anyways.

 

But no, now we look incredibly weak and our allies feel betrayed.



Because the Russkies aint gonna donuttin. Even if they did, the Chinese will still block any decisive action by the Security Council.
 
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appleciderus       9/18/2009 10:02:13 PM
 
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appleciderus       9/18/2009 10:08:28 PM
 
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usajoe1       9/18/2009 11:03:17 PM

what else did any body think was going to happen with Jimmy Carter 2.0 and Gates the incompetent running the show. This is 1977-1981 all over again.  Way to throw our friends under the bus Obama and Gates, the same ones who stuck their necks out for us, you cowards! and for what to have better relations with that crimnal Putin? This makes me sick to my stomach!
 
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DarthAmerica    @GLaw   9/19/2009 11:51:45 AM


The real issue in Russia was to prevent a permanent American tripwire/presence.



Thank you for telling us things we've been posting for years.


You are the one who started this thread with a link with B.S. concerns about whether or not those two eastern European countries would have an anti-missile defense.

It's not about the missiles, despite what everyone is saying. It is about the Geopolitical implications of US military boots being on the ground in Eastern Europe.



 

 
This is exactly the correct answer. And for the United States it's about securing Russian cooperation at the end of the month on Iranian sanctions. It's amazing how opinionated some people are when they clearly don't fully understand the dynamics of the situation. 

-DA 
 
 
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eldnah       9/19/2009 1:30:39 PM
It's the Russians aim to keep the US off balanced and over stretched and they will continue their policy. They might make some small noises about cooperating with the US now that they have want they want but it really doesn't matter. What ever the Russians say and maybe even do, will all be theater because China is committed for oil other geo-political reasons to Iran and will not allow anything of consequence pass the Security Council.
 
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Nasty German Idiot       9/19/2009 1:46:44 PM
On the end of the Day, it will save the US a whole lot of money.  Iran is screwed anyway should they be so mad to send an ICBM to Europe.  Israel however is a completely differend matter, I guess they could really use an missile defense shield. No Idea why the missle shield wasnt set up in Turkey and Isreal in the first place, that would be much nearer to where the real missile threat comes from.
 
PS:  Everybody, even the Bush administration admitted that the "missile shield" would not work against a Russian strike anyway. 
 
other approach to Iranian Problem: The best thing right now for the EU, UN, US to do is support the Iranian People/Opposition in getting the upper hand and screw their govenment.  I dont see that we are doing enough into that direction.  After all Iranians are clearly fed up with Ahmadinejad and his clique. Protest has been put down with boots
 
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CJH       9/19/2009 3:23:26 PM

Poland and Czechoslavakia would have to be foolish to put all their security hopes in one country - even the good old USA.
 
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CJH       9/19/2009 3:23:52 PM
I meant the Czech Republic.
 
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