.........Back from vacation, and everything I predicted that the liar, Gates, and his liar boss would do has come to pass.

 

Missile defense is DEAD until we turn these fools out.

 

You can also note that the cowardly announcement came on the 70th anniversary of Russia's invasion of Poland in 1939? 

 

How appropriate!

 

Herald

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www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iWR-3rEXusvVBWlZ-74ZbnZbKlZAD9APQO8O0

 

Every significant party has lied about this issue and continues to lie about it.  Many on this forum echo the crap.

 

The Russians pretend to be menaced by American Missiles.  Lies, because these were ABMs, and only effective against aircraft, not ground targets.  

 

The Russians also claimed that the ABMs were really there to protect the US against Russian, not Iranian missiles.  Lies because it was not on Russia to US flight paths.

 

The US and Eastern Europeans claimed the missile system was being built to protect the US and Eastern Europe from Iran.  Untrue, because Iran does not have long rang ballistic missiles or nukes, and even if they did would absolutely use a terrorist surrogate with a shipping container (with the possibility of anonymity and therefore national survival) long before they would  launch a missile for the world to see.

 

The real for the US was to get friends in Eastern Europe.  Friends who could vote with us in the UN, send a few troops to Iraq, get intelligence from Russia, provide flight paths to Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

The real issue in Eastern Europe was to get American forces and installations into their countries to act as a tripwire defense against Russia.  A resurgent or angry Russia might reconsider an attack if it meant that the US would absolutely get involved.

 

The real issue in Russia was to prevent a permanent American tripwire/presence.

Thank you for telling us things we've been posting for years.

You are the one who started this thread with a link with B.S. concerns about whether or not those two eastern European countries would have an anti-missile defense.

 

It's not about the missiles, despite what everyone is saying. It is about the Geopolitical implications of US military boots being on the ground in Eastern Europe.

Go easy on Glaw, YelliChink.  He hasn't been here that long; he probably hasn't read the other threads.  And I don't think Obama announcing the missile shield deal on the 70th anniversary of the Russian invasion was on purpose--I had forgotten the date, and I do this for a living. 

 

The point isn't that we have the SM-3 ABM that we do know works.  The point is that Poland and the Czech Republic put a lot of political capital on the line to host the ABM system, and now they've been thrown to the wolves.  If Obama had said, "We're not going to build the new system because of costs/economy/whatever, but we are going to adapt the SM-3 system to land basing, or permanently station an Aegis cruiser in the Baltic or the eastern Med," that would've been different.  Instead, he's dropping the whole shebang--for some false hope that Putin will reciprocate by joining Iranian sanctions.

 

And what happened? Putin laughed.  And Obama's surprised? When are people going to get that Putin is a thug?  He's practically a dictator, he murders his political enemies, and he blackmails and strongarms surrounding nations into doing what he wants--or invades them.  It's one thing to make a devil's bargain like FDR had to do with Stalin, but Putin is not going to help us with Iran.  There's nothing in it personally for him, even less for Russia. 

 

Obama's also beginning to show a very distressing pattern.  Honduras stops a thug from declaring himself dictator for life, and instead of praising them for doing so, we jump on the side of Zelaya, Chavez, and Ortega--all of whom are two-bit banana dictators.  The Iranian people make a bid for real democracy--which would defuse the entire nuclear brinksmanship situation--and Obama sides with Ahmadinejad.  Now he's playing kiss-ass with Putin.  Is it any wonder that people like Glenn Beck are beginning to wonder if Obama shares the ideals of Putin, Chavez, et al?  I don't--I think Obama is merely incompetent--but I used to think of Beck as a lunatic.  Now I'm not so certain.

 

Obama screwed up, and there's simply no defense for it.  Poland and the Czechs trusted us, and we've betrayed that trust for the tiny possibility of favor from a thug who is not our friend and never will be.

 

Worse, he made me agree with Tigertony, and dammit, there's just no excuse for that.

 High Altitude EMP (HEMP) is achievable by anyone with ballistic missiles capable of achieving a low-space trajectory, such as SRBM's, MRBM's, and ICBM's + a nuclear device, or specialized non-nuke EMP generator device [link to superconductors.org...]

Iran, Russia, China, France, Germany, Japan, Pakistan, India, Israel, UK, Australia and a few others are thought to possess this technology, or have access to it. Iran  launched a dummy satellite. Anyone who can launch a satellite can launch a HEMP device. If Iran made or purchased a nuclear weapon ($20 mil. ea. from the Russian mafia), then they can launch it over the Continental US (CONUS) with a Shahab-3 missile launched from a cargo ship off our coast, and cause a Victorian-age-causing event to occur over the entire US and parts of Southern Canada.

All modern countries are extremely vulnerable to this attack. Some militaries have hardened equipment made to resist such an attack, but the US hasn't spent much money on hardening equipment since the Cold War days. What foresight!

Think of an EMP attack like a lightning strike on electronic components that doesn't harm people. Surge protectors can't defend against it; it's way too intense and fast. Metal RF shielded & sealed containers can protect electronics stored inside of them. Any gaps must be no larger than 1/8th inch however.

Modern vehicles and computers are extremely vulnerable to EMP attacks, and will most likely fail in such an attack. Ancient cars with no electronic components, like pre-electronic ignition cars, are the least likely to be damaged. But most old cars do have something electronic in them, like an alternator diode, voltage regulator, distributor sensor, etc. I'm not sure though if points would have a problem.

Very thin copper wiring might also be affected, as it was in military tests. If so, then all electric motors (such as alternators, coils and generators) might be in jeopardy as well.

 Old mechanically injected diesel engine vehicles are the vehicles of choice for EMP resistance. That's one reason I think the military likes diesel engines. Diesel engines have no ignition system, and old diesels have no computers either. However, they do have a few odd electronic components that would have to be replaced, such as a glow plug controller and perhaps an exhaust temp sensor, etc.

No matter what the vehicle, the less electronics that are in it, the easier it would be to repair them with new components, if you had some shielded ones to use. A modern car would take a highly skilled mechanic probably several days of work with several thousands of dollars-worth of (previously shielded) electronic parts and computers to make the car operable again. Then he'd need a (previously shielded) diagnostic computer to troubleshoot and test the car's electronics.

A metal can, such as am large ammunition can, can be an effective shield. Whatever is stored inside must be well insulated from the metal skin. Grounding is optional, and often used on the exterior surface of a multi-layered shielded insulated container. Put your laptop and radios in such a container. Do not connect wires thru the shielded container as they become EMP antennae, concentrating the effect.

Here's a riveting fictional

 

Nope, I started this thread about how Poland and Czech Republics got kicked in the nuts by the US. To be honest, I am a bit surprised that even Caucasian allies may get shafted.

 

Poles and Czechs know that, even though they are in NATO now, the only country that might send soldiers had them been violated, is the US. Just ask Nasty German Idiot about how he thinks German soldiers should be sent in order to protect Poles and Czechs. Oh and there is this thing called EU, where the small guys in the Union feel they've constantly been pushed aside by big dudes such as UK, BRD and France.

 

You haven't showed me that you fully understand the consequence of this US policy to Poland and Czech Republic. There are reasons why Poles are more disappointed than Czechs. While Czechs have less problem dealing with big dudes of EU, Poles, given how they snubbed at almost everybody else, have to really suck d_cks hard this time in order to get some piece for themselves.

www.idahostatesman.com/businessnews/story/904119.html

 

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"I very much hope that this right and brave decision will be followed up by the full cancellation of all restrictions on cooperation with Russia and high technology transfer to Russia as well as a boost to expand the WTO to embrace Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan," Putin said at an investment forum in the Russian Black Sea resort of Sochi.

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mhh what i can i say. All this situation it's not the nicest thing.Let's be honest I know that most of u ppl in GB or US don't give a damn about Eastern Europe. We kinda feel alone here. But i do  know France doesn't like USA..here in the east we kinda feel abandoned and there are strong doubts if in the event of conflict NATO would come( u wouldnt want to get Russia angry?). Second part of be honest: we don't care about Iran, nobody cares about Iran here. we care about Russia and we are affraid. Georgia was decimated. EU and NATO failed to do anything at all. And we see possible confrontation over Sevastopol with Ukraina if it happens and Russians prevail then they wont stop. They will prove that NATO  has no stomach for war. And that will be the end of us. These news just make that 'now everybody is for himself' feeling stronger. In short US might run out of friends at least in Europe quite soon.