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usajoe1 9/25/2009 7:01:09 PM

No, I don't think Putin = Stalin. No, I don't think Ahmadinejad is insane nor do I share the view that Iran is out to commit national suicide just use a nuke on Israel. All of that is stupid to me and it waste others and my time to fill threads with rhetoric such as this.

Rhetoric??? DA, you have to be the biggest fool in the world to make such statments. You don't think that a leader of a country who makes statments like the Holocaust never Heppend, and that he likes to wipe Israel from the face of the earth is not Insane. Do you know what will happen to a western leader if he made just one of this statments? Do you know what this guy and his loon Mullahs actually believe in? do you know the whole story of the 12 imam. Do you know how many inocent people this thug and maniac has killed. I don't even know why I bother with such a pathetic, naive, and just pure garbage statment. I'm not even going to respond to the Putin statment, as it will only make my blood presure rise.

DA, I'm troubled to say that I feel ashamed that some one like you put on the same uniform as I did and served this great country. You should be ashamed of yourself!!!

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YelliChink 9/25/2009 7:04:28 PM

Putin != Stalin. He is the front man of the former-KGB gang who run Mother Russia today. It is undoubtedly, given the nature of the kind of men, that they want to recreate the Russian Empire again.

Ahmadinejad is not just crazy, he is utterly insane. However, on the other hand, we are insane in their eyes believing Holocaust and support survival right of Israel. That's the reason why he got hand-picked by the Grant Ayatollah. Had they have any sense of reason in their minds, they'd now sending envoy for talks with HRC on normalization of relation. The people who aren't insane are those of the other faction of clerics who are greedy, not insane, just like Gadhafi.

If I were Darth, I would have been learning Farsi at the moment, which will be useful very soon, and good for career.

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Mikko @sentinel 9/25/2009 7:07:37 PM

In response to Mikko's question on the media:

Mikko, here in the US, the overwhelming majority of journalism students are trained by retreads from the 1960s. For these aging hippies, the best times of their lives was writing scathing editorials about the immorality of Vietnam, the evil of LBJ and Nixon, how the US Army was populated solely by psychotic baby-killers, and how the People were going to overthrow the Man and bring down capitalism.

You are not the only ones suffering from the echoes of the 60's. It's sometimes even worse here, many old farts being former communists (within a democratic system though). What drove me over the line in trusting the press was the way big headlines were chosen in the recent Gaza conflict: "32 Palestinians killed inside a hospital" - only when digging deeper you'd find that all those 32 were "presumably Hamas". It was really sad to read. I often wonder why being a leftist-minded so often often goes hand in hand with sympathizing with those they'd never want to be in close contact in real life.

(Though strangely enough, these selfsame journalists sure do enjoy the fruits of capitalism. My college just built them a nice new shiny journalism building at taxpayer expense, after years of screaming from the journalism department. Meanwhile, we history profs slave away in tiny, unairconditioned offices. But I digress.)

Anyhow, students taught by these old farts absorb their political views and tend to take it as truth. So their attitudes towards the military are already warped before they even meet their first soldier. The smart ones realize pretty quick that soldiers are folks like everyone else, and are highly trained individuals proud of what they do. However, for every smart reporter who gets to know the troops around them, there are five others who never leave the hotel and rely on local stringers--who may or may not be working for the insurgency, in the case of Iraq. As far as they're concerned, the military is stupid and immoral, and their stories reflect this.

Even in the case of good reporters who do try and tell the truth, their stories get squashed by editors, many of whom are still stuck in the 1960s themselves. They don't want to hear stories about building schools and repairing roads--borrrrring. People getting blown up and soldiers getting shot--now that's neat. If it bleeds it leads, and as the AP recently showed, bleeding soldiers make good press. Especially if you can work in a pot shot at your favorite punching bag politician in the process (i.e. George W. Bush).

If that's the case, you have a complicated situation winning wars back home. By the way, could be that your press is inclined towards trying to prove that what the high officials say is always a part of some sort of conspiracy? I mean, isn't it a journalist's wet dream to prove the official truth wrong? Maybe a liberal government makes reporters feed conservative view to the public. Just playing with the idea of media being always against the "official truth" by its very nature.

On the military side of the coin, a lot of soldiers figure they're going to be misquoted and shown in the worst possible light. They have a good reason for it. During the Second Battle of Fallujah, where the US Army and Marines were fighting some of the most brutal house-to-house combat since Stalingrad, the press didn't bother reporting much on how intense the fighting was or how well the American forces were doing. Most of the press was devoted to an incident, caught on camera, where a Marine supposedly gunned down an unarmed, wounded prisoner. It was later revealed that the "prisoner" was indeed wounded, but was also reaching for an AK-47 to kill the Marine in question. The Marine fired first and saved the lives of his platoon, but the press was so eager to find a new My Lai (Abu Gharib came close, but there wasn't enough dead there) that they latched onto this. When it became a nonstory, they dropped it. Haditha was a similiar case: Marines accused of shooting unarmed civilians. When it turned out the civilians were armed insurgents, the press lost interest.

May

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Nasty German Idiot 9/25/2009 7:26:11 PM

"The people who aren't insane are those of the other faction of clerics who are greedy, not insane, just like Gadhafi.TEST "

I dont know if it is really necessary to debate if Colonel Muammar al gaddafi is insane or not ^^ (PS: he looks like the Sheriff of Nuttingham, he smells like the Sheriff of Nuttingham, I bet he is ...)

This one is really classic ...

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tigertony ROTFLMAO!!! 9/25/2009 9:06:10 PM

I wonder if SYSOPS keeps stats on how many posts it takes for a thread to degenerate, or if the rate of degeneration is based on the thread topic.

Pat Buchannan also supports the decision to remove the land based interceptors, noting that sea based interceptors do a better job of protecting Isreal.

Pat Buchannon and STRATFOR vs Obama bashing zombies: The zombies lose their heads every time.

So when did I bash Obama or Gates in this entire post? All I said to DA was those attacks would increase on all 3 fronts after he took office. And I asked him how it felt to know those Russians are killing our brave? Notice I got no response since.

I already stated why the USA should deploy BMD in Poland "Because Russia said No".

tigertony

You got no response because the post was irrelevant and nonsensical as it relates to actually determining the strategies each side is using to achieve it's ends. I don't do "The Russians are coming post" anymore. I look at cold hard analysis that root cause action and national interest. No, I don't think Putin = Stalin. No, I don't think Ahmadinejad is insane nor do I share the view that Iran is out to commit national suicide just use a nuke on Israel. All of that is stupid to me and it waste others and my time to fill threads with rhetoric such as this. Have you noticed the fanatical conservative positions on this site are almost 99% wrong or that when I post things like, EU BMD is related to Iran via the threat it poses to Russia due to their historic fear of invasion via Poland ect. it's almost always accurate? That's because my views on these issues are not shaped by emotion or bias.

-DA

Well let's examine the hilarity of the above in regard to Mother Russia:

1} The USA is going to march from Poland to Moscow with a Blitz?

2} The mighty Polish Army is going to ride in with the cavalry?

3} NATO is going to roll across with 1,000,000 men and get tactically nuked by Putin?

4} Russia will just continue to fall into the abyss while the EU and USA bypass their revenue?

5} Russia just loves Iran and would never use them to disrupt Oil and Gas in the Strait of Hormuz?

6} Russia just loves the USA,Israel, and Afghanistan?

I have not laughed so hard in my entire life. "Two Thumbs Up!!!"

&nb

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DarthAmerica @USAJOE 9/26/2009 3:04:51 AM

Joe, pay attention...

q. Rhetoric??? DA, you have to be the biggest fool in the world to make such statments.

a. Why? Because my opinion is different from yours? Are you mature enough to discuss this? Once again the ultra right has to find ways to debase people they disagree with rather then have a serious discussion rooted in FACT.

q. You don't think that a leader of a country who makes statments like the Holocaust never Heppend, and that he likes to wipe Israel from the face of the earth is not Insane. Do you know what will happen to a western leader if he made just one of this statments?

a. No I don't. Guess why? Because he isn't a "Western Leader". He is a Persian leader of an Islamic country who's population, some of it at least, harbor very negative views of Israel. Why they feel this way is beyond the scope of this thread but it is true. So like "Western Politicians", Ahmadinejad tells his people what they want to hear. Like "Western Politicians", words and deeds are not synonymous. Such as when politicians say "No new taxes" or that illegals wont benefit from USG healthcare ect.

q. Do you know what this guy and his loon Mullahs actually believe in? do you know the whole story of the 12 imam. Do you know how many inocent people this thug and maniac has killed.

a. Yes I do. First of all the Mullahs aren't this homogeneous like minded group. Iran's political and religious elite are very factionalized and about the only thing they all agree on is staying alive and in power. Speaking of which there are mechanisms in the Iranian government that can if necessary challenge that. As to how many he has killed? No, I don't know and nor do you. No one does. And it is irrelevant to the discussion because Iran isn't ruled the same way a western nation is with things like due process. I suppose we can talk about how many Palestinians the Israeli's kill or how about OIF casualties? If you are and Iranian, it sounds the same way. Do you know the story of Jesus Christ? How do you think that one ends for Muslims? Think they wan't to be cast into a lake of fire? Most definitely they do not. So how do you think something like this looks to the ignorant Muslim masses...

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usajoe1 9/26/2009 4:10:44 AM

Joe, pay attention... No you pay attention!

q. Rhetoric??? DA, you have to be the biggest fool in the world to make such statments.

a. Why? Because my opinion is different from yours? Are you mature enough to discuss this? Once again the ultra right has to find ways to debase people they disagree with rather then have a serious discussion rooted in FACT.

Once again the far left thinks they know best but in reality don't know anythng. Remember You have that anti semitic, incompatent POS! Carter, those Immoral scums Clinton and Ted Kennedy and the radical, socialist Obama as your heros , we have Reagan.

a. No I don't. Guess why? Because he isn't a "Western Leader". He is a Persian leader of an Islamic country who's population, some of it at least, harbor very negative views of Israel. Why they feel this way is beyond the scope of this thread but it is true. So like "Western Politicians", Ahmadinejad tells his people what they want to hear. Like "Western Politicians", words and deeds are not synonymous. Such as when politicians say "No new taxes" or that illegals wont benefit from USG healthcare ect.

What the hell is wrong with you? just because he is not a western leader he can make such statments and get a pass? I wish you don't make such dumb comments in front of a Jewish men, because if I were that men I will make you eat your own teeth!

I'm starting to wonder if you are like that POS anti-semetic Carter.

q. Do you know what this guy and his loon Mullahs actually believe in? do you know the whole story of the 12 imam. Do you know how many inocent people this thug and maniac has killed.

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sentinel28a Mikko 9/26/2009 5:31:05 AM

I wish I knew. I guess they want to feel morally superior to their political opponents, i.e. "We care and you [insert political party here] don't." Deep down, they probably realize Hamas is bad news, but admitting that would also admit that their political rivals might be right. That can't happen.

Everyone wants to be the next Woodward and Bernstein--the men who are (erroneously) credited with bringing down Nixon. Those guys are immortal now because of what they did. So I think most journalists would love to be known as "the one who brought down Bush" or "the one who brought down Obama" (since the right has its Glenn Becks). The problem is, some of them get so desperate that they resort to outright lies--the forged National Guard memos that Dan Rather tried to use to frame Bush come to mind.

Bit off topic, but there's something I'd like to dig into. Any decent professional links to read on the second battle of Fallujah? Though I'm aware that there must've been at least some heavy urban fighting at some point (from casualty figures), our press covers your wars largely through civilian casualties and civilian misery. I do read wiki, but the views there are not views of those who could actually teach me something on hot situations.

I don't know of any links, but I would highly recommend David Bellavia's House to House and Bing West's No True Glory as being superb books on the subject. Surprisingly enough, there's videos of Fallujah on YouTube taken by soldiers during the battle. Interesting modern world we live in!

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YelliChink Russia responded on Iran: Nyet! 10/13/2009 1:08:45 PM

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8303517.stm

Don't pressure Iran, says Russia

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Mr Lavrov, for his part, said "all efforts" should be made to maintain dialogue with Iran.

"We are convinced that threats, sanctions, and threats of pressure in the present situation are counter-productive," he said.

The BBC's Rupert Wingfield-Hayes in Moscow says Mrs Clinton was looking for a solid commitment from Mr Lavrov, but did not get one.

[unquote]

Ouch.

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DarthAmerica @yellichink 10/13/2009 2:00:25 PM

Not Nyet, more like NOT YET. The Russians are going to push this out as long as possible to try and get what they are really after. For those not familiar that is to keep the United States out of the Northern European plain due to the strategic risk that poses for them and to keep us out of nations they consider to be in their sphere of influence. Also, the more tense and warlike things become, the higher oil prises will rise. They lose this leverage if either the US and/or Israel attack. But then again a new war isn't in our interest either so it's a mutual game of chicken. Also, the Russians have the threat of a new nuclear power on it's borders to contend with as well.

The Russians aren't worried too much about an Iranian weapon most likely because they have much more precise intelligence on the true status of any clandestine programs if not outright control of them. There is a lot more to this than just knowledge of how to make a device. Weaponization of that device such that it is small enough to fit on Iran's rockets and functions reliably is a whole new challenge.

-DA

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