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Subject: Poland and Czech kicked in the nuts by the US
YelliChink    9/17/2009 10:33:06 AM
edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/17/missile.defense.shield/index.html [quote] But Biden explained the logic of doing so, saying Iran -- a key concern for the United States -- was not a threat. "I think we are fully capable and secure dealing with any present or future potential Iranian threat," Biden said in Baghdad, where he is on a brief trip. ... "This is catastrophic for Poland," said the spokeswoman, who declined to be named in line with ministry policy. advertisement Poland and the Czech Republic had based much of their future security policy on getting the missile defenses from the United States. The countries share deep concerns of a future military threat from the east -- namely, Russia -- and may look for other defense assurances from their NATO allies. [unquote]
 
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lurker       9/17/2009 11:03:40 AM
Officials describe the new system as "more dispersed and regionally focused".... what would that mean?
 
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Jeff_F_F       9/17/2009 12:29:24 PM
Dispersed = "Not deployed" 
Regional = "just (the) US"
 
I don't remember kicking anyone. I'd say who I blame, but Jimmy "Desert One Attack Rabbit" Carter would say I'm racist if I did...
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Power corrupts.
Incremental power corrupts incrementally.
 
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RockyMTNClimber    "Preemptive Capitulation"- John Bolton...   9/17/2009 1:01:02 PM
I can't imagine better news for Tehran and Moscow. We have surrendered two key allies (Czech Republic & Poland) and received exactly nothing in return from either the world's largest exporter of terror (Iran), or, a historic bully, intent upon rebuilding their long lost domain (Putin's Russia).
This will ultimately cause the western world to think very carefully about spending any political capital with the USA. Our will to resist terror and tyranny is apparently connected to the election cycle and no Treaty with US is apparently worth the paper it is written on. Another opportunity cost here will be American lives here and abroad and the lives of those in the western world who will be attacked or threatened by the new weapons Iran is building. Gates and Obama are fools who will be responsible for those of US who have to clean up this mess in the near future.
 
Jimmy Carter must be smiling too, now he's not the most imcompentent US President in US history.
 
Check Six
 
Rocky
 
 
 
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sentinel28a       9/17/2009 1:49:40 PM
"I believe it is peace for our time."
 
--Neville Chamberlain, 30 September 1938
 
 
 
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YelliChink    Just the right time to scrap missile shield   9/17/2009 2:16:40 PM
www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hXROT9qFqSx-wCTCQk3G6qvfAs_wD9AP714G0
 
From AP
 
AP NewsBreak: Nuke agency says Iran can make bomb

(AP) ? 51 minutes ago

VIENNA — Experts at the world's top atomic watchdog are in agreement that Tehran has the ability to make a nuclear bomb and is on the way to developing a missile system able to carry an atomic warhead, according to a secret report seen by The Associated Press.

 
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FJV       9/17/2009 2:22:15 PM
Pissing off Russia should indeed not be on the agenda.
 
As for Europe being blackmailed I have 5 words.
 
Start a realistic energy policy.

 
 
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sentinel28a       9/17/2009 2:27:15 PM
Why should we give a damn what Putin thinks?  He's not our friend.  He's going to work at cross-purposes to us, no matter how much we kiss his ass.  He's trying to sabotage Ukraine's elections and strongarm Eastern Europe, just like his hero Stalin.  We're supposed to bend over for this guy? 
 
When you show weakness to a thug, he's only going to try to take more and more advantage of it.  Sooner or later, he's going to want something that we can't give up.  What happens then? 
 
As far as the energy policy of Europe goes--there I agree with you.
 
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FJV       9/17/2009 2:49:37 PM
You shouldn't give a damn about what Putin thinks. The not getting involved in self defeating foreign entanglements is what you should give a damn about.
 
If you want the US to be tricked into standing up to Putin on behalf of the other thugs in the region go ahead. Just don't blame me when after spending soldier's lives all the US has to show for it is the next "Putin" they helped into power.
 
The US getting the punches and taking the hits, while you are safely positioning yourself to be the next number one thug. I don't see a reason for enthousiasm here.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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FJV    Errr.....   9/17/2009 2:52:57 PM
The US getting the punches and taking the hits, while the next crook is safely positioning himself to be the next number one thug. I don't see a reason for enthousiasm here.
 
 
 
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YelliChink       9/17/2009 3:46:22 PM

If you want the US to be tricked into standing up to Putin on behalf of the other thugs in the region go ahead. Just don't blame me when after spending soldier's lives all the US has to show for it is the next "Putin" they helped into power.

I don't understand what you try to express. By "other thugs," you mean:
 
1.democratically elected leaders of Poland and Czech Republic?
 
2. pro-US (compare to some other old allies) Polish and Czech people?
 
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