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Subject: Obama Is a Bullying Coward
CJH    8/9/2009 12:40:40 PM
You Are Terrifying Us... What has been most unsettling is not the congressmen?s surprise but a hard new tone that emerged this week. The leftosphere and the liberal commentariat charged that the town-hall meetings weren?t authentic, the crowds were ginned up by insurance companies, lobbyists and the Republican National Committee. But you can?t get people to leave their homes and go to a meeting with a congressman (of all people) unless they are engaged to the point of passion. And what tends to agitate people most is the idea of loss?loss of money hard earned, loss of autonomy, loss of the few things that work in a great sweeping away of those that don?t. People are not automatons. They show up only if they care. What the town-hall meetings represent is a feeling of rebellion, an uprising against change they do not believe in. And the Democratic response has been stunningly crude and aggressive. It has been to attack. Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the United States House of Representatives, accused the people at the meetings of ?carrying swastikas and symbols like that.? (Apparently one protester held a hand-lettered sign with a ?no? slash over a swastika.) But they are not Nazis, they?re Americans. Some of them looked like they?d actually spent some time fighting Nazis.
 
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PlatypusMaximus    flag@whitehouse.gov   8/9/2009 12:55:44 PM
Our founding fathers shouted over eachother.
 
Hitler asked his dime-dropping stool pigeons to report to the government on their neighbors.
 
Democrats are Nazis
 
 
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tigertony    Freedom is Freedom, like it or not!   8/9/2009 1:19:35 PM

Principal events in the Nazi-Skokie controversy

April 27, 1977: Skokie sues to enjoin Nazi demonstration scheduled for May 1.
April 28: Injunction granted by Cook County Circuit Court.
May 2: Village board enacts three ordinances aimed at outlawing Nazi demonstrations.
June 14: U.S. Supreme Court orders Illinois courts to hear injunction appeal expeditiously.
June 27: Anti-Defamation League (ADL), representing survivors of Nazi Germany, sues for a separate injunction.
July 13: State Appellate Court upholds injunction granted in April.
Aug. 12: American Civil Liberties Union files suit challenging the three ordinances.
Jan. 27, 1978: State Supreme Court lifts injunction.
Jan. 30: State Supreme Court dismisses ADL suit.
Feb. 23: U.S. District Court strikes down ordinances.
May 22: U.S. Court of Appeals affirms decision striking ordinances.
May 23: Nazi leader Frank Collin announces he will drop Skokie plans if allowed to demonstrate in Chicago's Marquette Park.
June 12: U.S. Supreme Court refuses to block Skokie demonstration scheduled for June 25.
June 20: U.S. District Court orders Chicago Park District to give Nazis a permit.
June 22: Collin calls off Skokie march.
June 24: Nazis demonstrate in Chicago Loop.
July 5: U.S. Court of Appeals refuses to block Marquette Park march.
July 7: U.S. Supreme Court refuses to block Marquette Park march.
July 9: Nazis demonstrate in Marquette Park.

Nazi march
What's it all about?

HE HAS no press agent, but the news media cover his every move.

He has no money, but he enjoys excellent legal counsel.

He has no power, but thousands fear him.

His name is Frank Collin. He is a Nazi.

For more than a year he terrorized the citizens of Skokie by nothing more than his announced desire to march in front of their village hall. Three times in 13 months his rights were upheld by the United States Supreme Court. Along the way, he was vilified, ridiculed and threatened. The press had a field day. His defenders, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), got hurt.

Finally the controversy ended, but a question lingers: How could a person like Frank Collin and his tiny band of followers manage to create such a stir? The answer is worth searching for.

The Nazi-Skokie story began early in 1977 when Collin, head of the National Socialist Party of America in Chicago, applied to the Skokie Park District for a permit to hold a rally in a Skokie park.

Skokie is a northern suburb of Chicago with a population of 66,000. About one-half of its people are Jewish; many are survivors of Nazi Germany or relatives of Hitler's victims.

The park district responded by informing Collin that he would be required to come up with a huge liability insurance policy to cover possible damages at the rally &O5533; a requirement the district knew he could not fulfill.

The Nazis want to march

Collin then announced his intent to march with his followers, in uniform, in front of the village hall on May 1. On April 27, the village's lawyer went to court, and the following day he obtained an injunction to block the demonstration. The village board also enacted three ordinances: Requiring insurance for demonstrations, banning persons

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Urban affairs editor for the Chicago Tribune and Chicago columnist for Illinois Issues, McManus has been Springfield correspondent for the Trib and also for Chicago Today.

November 1978/Illinois Issues/11


from parading in "military-style" uniforms or displaying offensive symbols, and banning distribution of hate literature.

Collin obtained counsel from the Illinois Division of ACLU, and a lengthy series of court battles ensued. Ultimately, both the injunction and the ordinances were declared unconstitutional. Then, his victory won, Collin announced that he would drop his plan to go to Skokie if he won permission for a rally in Chicago's Marquette Park &O5533; something he had been seeking for two years. The U.S. District Court ordered Chicago to grant the permit, the Skokie march was called off, and Collin had his day, July 9, 1978, in Marquette Park.

A simple recital of the events from April 27, 1977, to July 9,1978, does not convey the mood that existed. Skokie's Jews were both terrified and infuriated at the prospect of Nazis marching in their midst. Some argued that the best way to deal with the Nazis was to ignore them, but most felt they must take a stand against C

 
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WarNerd       8/10/2009 5:35:10 AM
There was a political cartoon back then that neatly encapsulated the situation.  It showed a group of cartoon neo-Nazi thugs standing before the Supreme Court with the justices pouring desperately over a document labeled 'the Constitution' and one of the justices screaming "We can't help it!  It does not say EXCEPT SCUM!"
 
p.s.  If anyone knows where to find this cartoon on the web, please post a link.
 
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FJV    It's probably just business.   8/10/2009 11:29:11 AM
Wow, Godwins law already reached in the second post. Some people are really off the deep end.
 
Somehow it doesn't occur to people that the crowd was manipulated to have high television viewer ratings. Even the manufactured controversy is helping these guys make money. Because with 65% in favor of heatlth care: "What are the odds?".
 
Highly emotionally charged TV just sells better and easier than reasoned debate. That's probably the reason why they turned a boring political debate into a Jerry Springer show.
 
And it seems you are all swallowing hook line and sinker of what is rapidly becoming one of the oldest and most used tricks in broadcasting.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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buzzard       8/10/2009 12:59:14 PM
Somehow it doesn't occur to people that the crowd was manipulated to have high television viewer ratings. Even the manufactured controversy is helping these guys make money. Because with 65% in favor of heatlth care: "What are the odds?".
 
 Cite your 65% figure. I've seen other numbers. While 65% might thing something needs to be done about healthcare, the support for the current plan is nowhere near that number.
 
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YelliChink       8/10/2009 2:38:27 PM

 Cite your 65% figure. I've seen other numbers. While 65% might thing something needs to be done about healthcare, the support for the current plan is nowhere near that number.


Most people support a policy according to the influence of the policy to their own interests.
 
Given the current economic trend, more and more people will be unable to afford health insurance, thus propel them in favor of government free (or almost free) plan. I wouldn't doubt that there will be 65% supporting nationalized health care in very near future. You must break their American dream before you can persuade them to change the good-old capitalist mindset.
 
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FJV       8/10/2009 3:00:21 PM
64% in favor.
"http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/01/opinion/polls/main2528357.shtml"
 
56% in favor.
"http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/Majority-Favors-Healthcare-Reform-This-Year.aspx"
 
71% in favor
"http://www.gallup.com/poll/121883/Most-U.S.-Want-Healthcare-Reform-Vary-Urgency.aspx"
 
Results from a Gallup Poll conducted Thursday night, one day after President Obama's press conference at which he emphasized the importance of moving quickly on healthcare reform legislation, show that 41% of Americans would advise their representative in Congress to pass a new healthcare reform law by the end of this year; another 30% would say Congress should pass a new law, but not necessarily this year; and the remainder -- 24% -- don't think Congress should pass a new healthcare reform law at all.
 
62%
"http://abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/1091a2HealthCareReform.pdf"
 
IMHO it seems a lot like the majority of Americans want this.
 
 
 
 
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buzzard       8/10/2009 3:29:33 PM
64% in favor.
"http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/01/opinion/polls/main2528357.shtml"
 
 Which is a poll from March 1st, so it's a bit out of date. However you evidently didn't read the whole poll or even much of it. Then again this line wasn't attached to a pretty little graph so I could see how you'd miss it:
 
Less than one in three, however, say the government would do a better job than private insurance companies at actually providing medical coverage. Forty-four percent said the government would be worse as a health care provider than private companies.
 
Doesn't really sound like clear advocacy of Obamacare. In fact back in March Obamacare wasn't revealed yet. 
 
56% in favor.
"http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/Majority-Favors-Healthcare-Reform-This-Year.aspx"
 
 Funny you left out a rather important note in this survey from July 12th
 
With the specific outlines of healthcare reform still far from settled, the July 10-12 survey explored a number of other issues that Congress is considering as it works toward drafting legislation.
 
Again, hardly an endorsement for Obamacare. 
 
71% in favor
"http://www.gallup.com/poll/121883/Most-U.S.-Want-Healthcare-Reform-Vary-Urgency.aspx"
 
Again, you are rather selective in your reading. From the link:
 
The data show that about 4 out of 10 Americans generally agree with Obama -- that a new healthcare law needs to be passed this year. But that leaves the majority of Americans who do not agree, either because they believe a delay is acceptable, or because they don't believe such a law is needed at all.
 
I hate to break it to you, but McCain ran on health care reform as well. He just ran on a different approach. An approach, mind you, which Obama lied egregiously about. One of his biggest lies was that McCain was planning to tax people's health insurance benefits to fund the program, and lo and behold, that is currently on the drawing board for the current plan of O's. 
 
When the rubber actually meets the road, and people learn the details of the Obamaplan, they become far less enthused with health care reform. 
 
 
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YelliChink       8/10/2009 3:30:57 PM

 

IMHO it seems a lot like the majority of Americans want this.


The majority of Americans will want free lunch tickets for people under certain income level as well. Besides, it is known for a long time that these organizations listed above have manipulated polls by over sampling in certain neighborhoods.
 

 
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tigertony    Obama is not a bully, just a failure   8/10/2009 7:29:52 PM

AGAINST ALL ODDS: Obama's report card shows failing grades

Ashlie Rodriguez, Staff Columnist

Published: Monday, August 10, 2009

Updated: Monday, August 10, 2009

After two failed stimulus packages, no job creation and only deeper deficits, President Barack Obama is off to a bad start. It?s been a mere seven months since the inauguration and already his approval rating has fallen almost 20 percent, dwindling from a high of 68 percent to 50 percent.


Democrats are critical of Obama for breaking multiple campaign promises, Republicans are disgusted with his insatiable social spending and everyone in the middle is just plain skeptical.  He has failed us on both a practical and ideological basis.


Obama promised us the $787 billion stimulus bill would save our suffering economy. So Congress passed it. Yet shockingly, more than 2.6 million jobs have been lost since Obama took office, according to www.cnn.com. Unemployed citizens can?t afford to buy things — meaning business owners lose profit, resulting in more layoffs and a seemingly unending cycle of financial hopelessness.


Unemployment will soon hit double-digit rates, more and more homes are being foreclosed, and fewer people are seeing a light at the end of the tunnel.


The hope of Obama fixing our economy is quickly fading.


After analyzing the state of the economy, the idea of government-funded health care leads Americans to question Obama?s elementary school math grades. Many are asking themselves how the government can consider subsidizing a $1.6 trillion health care plan when it can?t even provide its citizens jobs.


With an ever-increasing deficit, a stagnate economy and depressing unemployment figures, there is no way our government can carry health care for the entire nation without either raising taxes or falling deeper into debt. Because subsidized health care was one of his campaign promises, Obama would rather see it implemented and see himself ideologically gratified than use fiscal discipline to get our country of back on its feet.   With such a narrow-minded agenda, Obama is losing sensible supporters. Americans expected him to prioritize more efficiently by fixing the economy first, then considering a universal health care plan, not the other way around.


Obama?s lack of practical planning is upsetting, but so are his ideological deficits.


The re-election of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad ignited violent protests on the streets of Iran. Supporters of candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi were enraged by speculative voter fraud and took to the streets to rally against the undemocratic election. Iranian security forces immediately were called to violently subdue the protests, killing more than a dozen protesters and wounding countless others.


When the world turned to the leader of the free world for a response, Obama did nothing. Instead of condemning Ahmadinejad for resorting to violent acts against his own people, Obama simply stated ?The election is an internal matter for Iran.? Americans expected a highly critical response to the undemocratic injustice committed on Iranians, but instead, got unapologetic apathy.


The president should reflect national sentiment.  Obama?s failure is reflected in his lower approval rating.


Not only did he disappoint the international community, he embarrassed his own country.
Instead of using logic in analyzing the arrest of black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr., Obama went to press defended Gates and referred to the arresting officer James Crowley?s as having behaed ?stupidly.? This immediately infused racial undertones into a situation necessitating no presidential involvement.  Not only did Obama act foolishly by blaming an innocent officer for supposed racist behaviors, but he carelessly offended many of his white supporters, the 45 percent base that voted him into office.


Although one of Obama?s campaign promises was to not play the race card, he broke that promise by impulsively attacking an American police officer without knowing the facts.


Obama?s approval ratings are dropping every day. He is not con
 
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