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Subject: Good analysis
usajoe1    7/8/2009 10:43:32 PM
By Nile Gardiner, July 7th, 2009

It is hard to fathom what the United States will gain from Barack Obama?s much-hyped agreement with Dmitry Medvedev to further cut America?s nuclear arsenal. Washington and Moscow have agreed in principle a framework to reduce their nukes by about a third, to 1,500 to 1,675 warheads over the next seven years. Even more significantly, the two leaders have pledged to cut their nuclear delivery systems (intercontinental ballistic missiles and long-range bombers for example) to just 500-

1,100 units, a move that works greatly to Russia?s advantage as its force projection is far weaker than the U.S. in this area.

The new deal, which Obama hopes to wrap up with the Kremlin by December, creates a far more level playing field for the Russians, whose strategic conventional weapons capability is greatly outclassed by that of the Americans, and whose deteriorating nuclear weapons stockpile is aging and in decline. The whole agreement makes no sense, and is little more than a vanity exercise for Barack Obama who has ludicrously pledged to carve out a nuclear-free world. Surely a better strategy would be to further build up America?s defences, including a global missile defence shield, rather than cut defence spending and further gut the superpower?s nuclear capability.

At this rate, even Jimmy Carter looks like General Patton compared to the dove-like current U.S. president. Why cut nuclear weapons at a time when rogue regimes such as North Korea and Iran are busy building their own programmes? Does the President seriously believe this move will encourage the likes of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong Il to renounce their nuclear designs? What evidence is there in history that a unilateral policy of disarmament will prompt tyrannical regimes to change their behaviour?

It is also unclear what kind of odious quid pro quo deal Washington will have to sign up to in order move the agreement forward. President Medvedev, who serves as little more than Vladimir Putin?s right hand, has made it abundantly clear that the United States will have to sacrifice any plans for a ?third site? missile defence system in eastern and central Europe for Moscow to sign up to a news arms treaty. This would be a huge betrayal of key U.S. allies Poland and the Czech Republic. No doubt Moscow will also demand the Obama administration give the Russians a bigger say over NATO expansion eastwards, including blocking the entry of Georgia and Ukraine.

By agreeing to a grand bargain with the Medvedev/Putin regime, President Obama has unwisely opened a Pandora?s box of concessions that will only enhance Russia?s hand in its ?Near Abroad?. At the same time, the Obama administration?s naïve approach will strengthen the resolve of America?s enemies such as Iran to aggressively pursue their nuclear ambitions and exploit the weakness of a president who is gravely undercutting American global power in an increasingly dangerous world.


 
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usajoe1       7/10/2009 4:50:30 PM
So to me the questions are what deals could be made that would outweigh the Iran issue with Russia, or in what way could we pull a Nixon and exploit their differences to make Russia view their better interests as checking Iran.
 
None in regards to Russia. As I said before, Russia does not want a nuclear Iran. Do you think Russia would want to see a nuclear arms race between Iran, Turkey, S. Arabia, UAE etc... this would be nightmare situation that close to its borders. Now, we know the Russians will not use military force to stop them, so that burden will fall on us, or we can suport Israel and let them do the dirty work.
 
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YelliChink       7/10/2009 5:03:44 PM

None in regards to Russia. As I said before, Russia does not want a nuclear Iran. Do you think Russia would want to see a nuclear arms race between Iran, Turkey, S. Arabia, UAE etc... this would be nightmare situation that close to its borders. Now, we know the Russians will not use military force to stop them, so that burden will fall on us, or we can suport Israel and let them do the dirty work.

Chances are Israel will be too busy dealing with their troubled neighbors instead of Iranian thug-in-chief. The outcome is clear now, and DeathAmerica will be posting from a US Army base in Iran about two to three years later.
 
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lurker       7/10/2009 5:06:57 PM

So to me the questions are what deals could be made that would outweigh the Iran issue with Russia, or in what way could we pull a Nixon and exploit their differences to make Russia view their better interests as checking Iran.

 

None in regards to Russia. As I said before, Russia does not want a nuclear Iran. Do you think Russia would want to see a nuclear arms race between Iran, Turkey, S. Arabia, UAE etc... this would be nightmare situation that close to its borders. Now, we know the Russians will not use military force to stop them, so that burden will fall on us, or we can suport Israel and let them do the dirty work.



I believe  that is true, they will give way to sanctions eventually, but probably not fast enough to suit us. In what ways could we cause them to move fast enough to suit us? Supporting Israel in an attack on Iranian nuclear facilities would not be conducive to our other interests in the middle east wouldn't you agree? If possible wouldn't we would want them to stay out of it, only using them as a last resort? I am of the opinion that it is not necessarily that the Russians won't use military force, but that they can't... successfully in any case.
 
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lurker    usajoe   7/10/2009 5:09:49 PM
Can i assume your first sentence means that no deals with Russia could be made to make them apply sanctions and pull support faster? If that is truly so, then I guess it will come down to who is politically stinking more in between.
 
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EvilFishy       7/10/2009 5:15:02 PM

Yelli, you honestly think Obama would send US soldiers into Iran under any reason? Short of an attack on mainland USA I cannot imagine a situation where Obama would commit US soldiers to set foot on Iranian soil in any serious numbers.
 

Israel better be well prepared because I do believe they are on their own here.

 
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RockyMTNClimber    The Analysis is decent, it asks the right questions....   7/10/2009 5:51:28 PM
In fact the posted article does ask the right questions relating to US/Russian foreign policy. It may be a bit cheeky in it's approach to our current administration but it is in line with what many experts inside and outside of the US DOD/Foreign policy circles have been asking.
Don't bother responding to posts that quote UN bureau offices of "AFP" news. Not likely a reasonably well thought out source but almost certainly supportive of Obama.
 
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RockyMTNClimber    Actually, Israel might just have help, without US...   7/10/2009 5:59:44 PM




Yelli, you honestly think Obama would send US soldiers into Iran under any reason? Short of an attack on mainland USA I cannot imagine a situation where Obama would commit US soldiers to set foot on Iranian soil in any serious numbers.

 


Israel better be well prepared because I do believe they are on their own here.






htt**p://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132195
 
Saudi's may have been negotiating already with Israel to deal with this to the benefit of all concerned. One wonders if the US would actually prevent the Israelis from making the missions without US help by blocking access accross the Persian Gulf. Our current foreign policy is very disjointed and might actually stand in the way of our allies.
 
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YelliChink       7/10/2009 6:01:45 PM

Yelli, you honestly think Obama would send US soldiers into Iran under any reason? Short of an attack on mainland USA I cannot imagine a situation where Obama would commit US soldiers to set foot on Iranian soil in any serious numbers. Israel better be well prepared because I do believe they are on their own here.


Yup. It looks more and more like so. When did Americans not vote incumbents at war?
 
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CJH    Promoting Internationalism At the Expense of National Security   7/11/2009 4:55:26 PM
It helps to look at this move in the context of the history of American liberal leaders.
1. Liberals hate the military.
2. Liberals don't care about American security (other than their own) although they do care about how the effects of public reactions to perceived insecurity may be politically adverse to their ambitions.
3. Liberals want to usher in a world government which will leave them in control of everyone.
 
Back in the 70s and 80s we had the nuclear freeze movement. Obama is showing he is an exponent of that movement.
Obama is not opening a "back door" to weapons systems modernization.
He is most likely doing what liberals have always done. The idea is that they allow our country to become vulnerable to foreign attack.
Then through the media, they hype this perceived vulnerability, scaring the public.
The people become fearful.
Their fear for their survival becomes a way to force them to conceive of trading away national sovereignty for peace.
This is why, for example, the liberals were so apoplectic over Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative.
This is also most certainly why the Obama admin. is consistently negative on missile defense.
So the prospect of a publicly perceived vulnerability or indeed a foreign aggression that hurts our country, rather than being a source of discouragement would help liberals acheive their goals.
 
Or as Rush so very accurately says, "What ever is good for America is bad for Democrats (liberals), and whatever is good for Democrats is bad for America. This how it's always been.
 
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