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Subject: Good analysis
usajoe1    7/8/2009 10:43:32 PM
By Nile Gardiner, July 7th, 2009

It is hard to fathom what the United States will gain from Barack Obama?s much-hyped agreement with Dmitry Medvedev to further cut America?s nuclear arsenal. Washington and Moscow have agreed in principle a framework to reduce their nukes by about a third, to 1,500 to 1,675 warheads over the next seven years. Even more significantly, the two leaders have pledged to cut their nuclear delivery systems (intercontinental ballistic missiles and long-range bombers for example) to just 500-

1,100 units, a move that works greatly to Russia?s advantage as its force projection is far weaker than the U.S. in this area.

The new deal, which Obama hopes to wrap up with the Kremlin by December, creates a far more level playing field for the Russians, whose strategic conventional weapons capability is greatly outclassed by that of the Americans, and whose deteriorating nuclear weapons stockpile is aging and in decline. The whole agreement makes no sense, and is little more than a vanity exercise for Barack Obama who has ludicrously pledged to carve out a nuclear-free world. Surely a better strategy would be to further build up America?s defences, including a global missile defence shield, rather than cut defence spending and further gut the superpower?s nuclear capability.

At this rate, even Jimmy Carter looks like General Patton compared to the dove-like current U.S. president. Why cut nuclear weapons at a time when rogue regimes such as North Korea and Iran are busy building their own programmes? Does the President seriously believe this move will encourage the likes of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong Il to renounce their nuclear designs? What evidence is there in history that a unilateral policy of disarmament will prompt tyrannical regimes to change their behaviour?

It is also unclear what kind of odious quid pro quo deal Washington will have to sign up to in order move the agreement forward. President Medvedev, who serves as little more than Vladimir Putin?s right hand, has made it abundantly clear that the United States will have to sacrifice any plans for a ?third site? missile defence system in eastern and central Europe for Moscow to sign up to a news arms treaty. This would be a huge betrayal of key U.S. allies Poland and the Czech Republic. No doubt Moscow will also demand the Obama administration give the Russians a bigger say over NATO expansion eastwards, including blocking the entry of Georgia and Ukraine.

By agreeing to a grand bargain with the Medvedev/Putin regime, President Obama has unwisely opened a Pandora?s box of concessions that will only enhance Russia?s hand in its ?Near Abroad?. At the same time, the Obama administration?s naïve approach will strengthen the resolve of America?s enemies such as Iran to aggressively pursue their nuclear ambitions and exploit the weakness of a president who is gravely undercutting American global power in an increasingly dangerous world.


 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       7/9/2009 2:25:07 AM
It opens a backdoor to allow the economic modernization of existing systems as well as develop new ones.  The treaty is about reducing existing stockpiles, not future ones.
 
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DarthAmerica    Very Poor Analysis...   7/9/2009 5:44:19 PM
USAJOE,

I'm going to get back to this with critique. It's about as bad as can be and I'll demonstrate that. For now just to gauge some int reaction chew on this....

UN chief hails US-Russia nuclear arms cut commitment

UN chief Ban Ki-moon. Photo courtesy of AFP.
by Staff Writers
United Nations (AFP) July 7, 2009
UN chief Ban Ki-moon hailed Tuesday the US-Russian agreement committing the former Cold War foes to significant cuts in their nuclear arsenals.

"This agreement is consistent with the disarmament obligations by the two largest nuclear weapon states under Article VI of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT)," the UN secretary general, who was on a visit to Ireland, said in a statement released by his office.

"The Secretary General believes that this agreement will make a significant contribution to the process of nuclear disarmament, as well as nuclear non-proliferation, during the lead-up to the 2010 NPT Conference and eventually to achieving the goal of a nuclear weapon-free world," added the statement by Ban's spokeswoman Michele Montas.

US President Barack Obama and his Russian counterpart Dmitry Medvedev signed a declaration in Moscow Monday pledging to reach a new nuclear arms reduction pact to replace the 1991 Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START). Obama said it provides for cuts of "up to a third" from current limitations.

START is due to expire on December 5 but the declaration gave no target date for a renewal, instructing negotiators to complete their work as quickly as possible.

The declaration called for a reduction in the number of nuclear warheads in Russian and US strategic arsenals to between 1,500 and 1,675 within seven years and the number of ballistic missile carriers to between 500 and 1,100.

The cuts go beyond those levels set in the 2002 Strategic Offensive Reductions Treaty (SORT), which calls for both countries to reduce the number of deployed warheads to between 1,700 and 2,200 on either side by 2012.

In May, Ban told a conference on disarmament that he was encouraged by recent remarks by the US and Russian leaders and urged the broader international community to undertake a new multilateral approach to ensure sustainable progress towards disarmament.



...More later.


-DA

 
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EvilFishy       7/9/2009 5:58:21 PM

 

The UN and Ban Ki-moon like this deal. Well, that is good enough for me!

*rolls eyes*

 

 
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DarthAmerica    @EF   7/9/2009 7:23:06 PM

The UN and Ban Ki-moon like this deal. Well, that is good enough for me!

*rolls eyes*


It should be, given that you typically only respond with sarcasm and null content to any hint of positive achievement for this administration. But don't worry, I'm going to elaborate for you unless of course you have some actual data of your own to suggest this was a bad thing. Given your history, you will either

a. ---Troll/Flame reply---

b. Not return to this thread

c.  Make some off topic irrelevant reply

d. a-c

e. Actually surprise the forum with supporting data for your sarcasm/disagreement

I bet d. I'd love to see you try e.

-DA 



 
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YelliChink       7/9/2009 7:51:48 PM

It opens a backdoor to allow the economic modernization of existing systems as well as develop new ones.  The treaty is about reducing existing stockpiles, not future ones.

You can't bluff a nuclear confrontation based on future stockpiles that doesn't exist now.
 
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usajoe1       7/9/2009 7:54:44 PM

What is wrong with you Dart? You want everyone to have the same views as you? last time I checked this is America, and people can have diffrence of oponion. Now, yourself, the UN chief and millions of people beleive this is a good thing, but there are milions of other people, including experts on foreign policy who think this is not good for the US. As I told you before, you are not going to change my mind on this issue and the Israeli one, the only two things I really disagree with you about.

 
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DarthAmerica       7/9/2009 8:03:33 PM

What is wrong with you Dart? You want everyone to have the same views as you? last time I checked this is America, and people can have diffrence of oponion. Now, yourself, the UN chief and millions of people beleive this is a good thing, but there are milions of other people, including experts on foreign policy who think this is not good for the US. As I told you before, you are not going to change my mind on this issue and the Israeli one, the only two things I really disagree with you about.


No, not credible experts. Only misinformed OpEd writers. Everybody credible and who understands wants to reduce the Nuke arsenal. It's a terrible expense and too last war.

-DA 
 
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usajoe1       7/9/2009 8:13:10 PM
No, not credible experts. Only misinformed OpEd writers. Everybody credible and who understands wants to reduce the Nuke arsenal. It's a terrible expense and too last war.
Let me guess, you're the expert right You're amazing Dart!
 
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EvilFishy       7/9/2009 8:26:15 PM
 
It should be, given that you typically only respond with sarcasm and null content to any hint of positive achievement for this administration. But don't worry, I'm going to elaborate for you unless of course you have some actual data of your own to suggest this was a bad thing. Given your history, you will either

a. ---Troll/Flame reply---



b. Not return to this thread



c.  Make some off topic irrelevant reply



d. a-c



e. Actually surprise the forum with supporting data for your sarcasm/disagreement





I bet d. I'd love to see you try e.




-DA 



I am not the only person here who sticks to a formula Darth. I could use an egg timer to predict the moment you whip out Appeal to Authority.   It should be?  LOL.   

Apparently a grunt who drove a truck is now an expert on all things that have ever been involved with, driven in, or ridden on said truck.

You are a walking logical fallacy and my sarcasm regarding your ignorant appeal to authority regarding the corrupt, ignorant, lethargic United Nations is warrant by their history.
 


 
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DarthAmerica       7/9/2009 8:31:00 PM


 


It should be, given that you typically only respond with sarcasm and null content to any hint of positive achievement for this administration. But don't worry, I'm going to elaborate for you unless of course you have some actual data of your own to suggest this was a bad thing. Given your history, you will either




a. ---Troll/Flame reply---







b. Not return to this thread







c.  Make some off topic irrelevant reply







d. a-c







e. Actually surprise the forum with supporting data for your sarcasm/disagreement











I bet d. I'd love to see you try e.










-DA 










I am not the only person here who sticks to a formula Darth. I could use an egg timer to predict the moment you whip out Appeal to Authority.   It should be?  LOL.   


Apparently a grunt who drove a truck is now an expert on all things that have ever been involved with, driven in, or ridden on said truck.


You are a walking logical fallacy and my sarcasm regarding your ignorant appeal to authority regarding the corrupt, ignorant, lethargic United Nations is warrant by their history.

 





AND THE ANSWER IS A!


-DA 

 
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DarthAmerica       7/9/2009 8:33:40 PM

No, not credible experts. Only misinformed OpEd writers. Everybody credible and who understands wants to reduce the Nuke arsenal. It's a terrible expense and too last war.

Let me guess, you're the expert right You're amazing Dart!

Grading on a curve, on this site, Yes.

-DA 

 
 
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usajoe1    Great response DA   7/9/2009 8:40:11 PM
Grading on a curve, on this site, Yes.
 
On this issue you are as much of an expert as a farmer is on rocket science. Man you have a big ego!
 
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usajoe1       7/9/2009 8:46:08 PM
I post a thread from a respectable source: PHD, Nile Gardiner, Director, Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom, areas of expertise: U.S.-British Relations, U.S.-European Relations, NATO, the United Nations, the War on Terror, Iraq, Iran, British Foreign Policy, EU Foreign Policy. But no he don't no jack and you do? get real DA!
 
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buzzard       7/9/2009 8:51:39 PM
On this issue you are as much of an expert as a farmer is on rocket science. Man you have a big ego!
 
 You always forget, DA is an expert on everything (at least that matters), and he always have an infinite source of inside information which he is able to hint at or sometimes vaguely reveal from top level sources. Of course these sources cannot be named or he would have to kill us.
 
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YelliChink       7/9/2009 9:31:20 PM

 last time I checked this is America, and people can have difference of oponion.



Welcome to the New America: United Soviet States of America.
 
 
 
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