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Subject: Is Obama the world's biggest idiotic fool or what?
Panther    7/1/2009 2:21:13 AM
Lot's of great stuff coming out of Iran, from the MEMRI website: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Criticizes U.S. President Obama for Interfering in Iran's Elections Dispute: "He Has Removed His Mask" Following are excerpts from an address by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, which aired on IRINN, the Iranian News Channel, on June 25 and 27, 2009. To view this clip on MEMRI TV, visit link "He has Revealed His Hand to the Iranian people, to All Peoples? Mr. Obama has Made a Big Mistake" Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: "Mr. Obama is surprising. Why did he interfere? He said they would bring about change. Why did he interfere? Why does he express an opinion, contrary to the norms and to the rules of etiquette? "He keeps saying that he wants to hold negotiations with Iran. Fine. We expressed our willingness, but with such rhetoric... He was definitely wrong. He has revealed his hand to the Iranian people, to all peoples. He has removed his mask. Even if we were to spend hundreds and thousands of billions of tomans on propaganda and diplomacy, in an effort to tell the world what [the Americans] are like, and to tell it that they have not changed that much, we could not have don?t this [any better than Obama]. [...] "In my view, Mr. Obama has made a big mistake. Regarding the governments of England and of one or two European countries, whose past and whose actions are known to all, and who have no shame vis-à-vis the world - we do not expect anything from them. But the question is why Mr. Obama fell into this trap. Why did he commit this mistake? Why did he say the same things that were said before by Mr. Bush, and for which he suffered certain consequences?? "Why Did You Deviate From This Path [of Reform] and Fall Into This Pit?" "You were the one who talked about making reforms and changes, and about considering [relations] with the Iranian people. Why did you deviate from this path and fall into this pit, into this trap? They went to sleep, and when they woke up in the morning, they remembered the days the world was ruled by the emperors of the Middle Ages. Those times are over. Open your eyes. The world has changed. Everything has changed. What kind of talk is this towards such a great nation?! [...] "I inform them for the umpteenth time that the nearly 40 million people who participated in the elections are not comfortable with their conduct. They will stand against them. The Iranian nation is a great nation, a nation with honor, a nation with capabilities. It sees all that is going on, and at the right moment, it will make the necessary decision." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Wait, that is not all folks! It is followed with more hilarity --------------------------------------------------------------------- Iranian Regime-Affiliated Organization: Europe and America Are Turning Muslim ? An Opportunity to Spread Shi'a Islam On May 8, 2009, an article titled "France is Turning into an Islamic Republic" was posted on www.abna.ir, the official website of the Iran-based International Ahl Al-Bayt Foundation. [1] The secretary-general of this foundation, Mohammad Ahmad Akhtari, is deputy of international affairs in the office of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, and former Iranian ambassador to Syria. [2] He was appointed by Khamenei to head the foundation in March 2004. [3] The article surveyed the growth of the Muslim population in Europe, the U.S., and Canada, which, it claimed, is due to a higher birth rate among Muslims as compared to Christians, as well as to immigration. The article called on the Shi'ite institutions and clerics to take advantage of the situation, namely, that the Muslims will soon become a majority in most of the European countries and the U.S., and to introduce the local Christian population to the Shi'ite school of thought - since, according to the writer - it is more appealing than Sunni Islam. Following are the main claims of the article. [4] It should be stressed that the data brought in the article is unsubstantiated and should be perceived as reflecting the positions of the Iranian foundation. "The Culture of a Country Where the Birth Rate Remains Less than 2.5% for 25 Years Cannot Endure" After comparing the growth rate of the Muslim and the Christian populations in France, statisticians claim that in 40 years at most, France will become a predominantly Muslim country. "An average [non-Muslim] family in France has 1.8 members, as compared to an average Muslim family there, which has 8.1 members? In France today, there are more mosques than churches. Thirty percent of all babies and young people under the age of 20 there are Muslim, but in large cities such as Paris, Nice, and Marseille, 45 percent [are Muslim]. The conclusion is that if this ratio does not change
 
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EvilFishy       7/1/2009 2:40:42 AM
Well, he had to TRY!  I mean, that idiot cowboy Bush screwed things up so badly for us, I mean, he had to do SOMETHING!
 
/s
 
I cannot tell if this man is a moron or if he is doing this on purpose.  I really cannot tell.   It does not really matter; you and I are going to suffer this CHANGE either way.
 
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PlatypusMaximus       7/1/2009 7:22:53 AM
The man is 100% brilliant.
 
A brillinat man who behaves moronically is an idealogue....we toldjaso.
 
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EvilFishy       7/1/2009 1:46:12 PM

Yeah Platy, but is there time to stop/halt/reverse the damage that is being done?

 
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PlatypusMaximus       7/1/2009 3:18:54 PM
We have nothing but time and history is squarely on our side, but with respect to our lifetimes, ...Will this generation of democrats admit that nation building produced better results than coddling madmen?...I'd say Israel nukes us first.
 
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Panther       7/1/2009 10:51:58 PM
Think of the three decade cluster-f**k for an aftermath that is the Jimmy Carter legacy. Now multiply that many times with a possible equation for the next forty years of more pu$$yfooting around with them, and perhaps a currently avoidable war turning into an unavoidable  future one with perhaps many nuclear exchanges!
 
The Iranian voters tried too change some of this, Obama dithered in some neutral utopian world that doesn't exists as of yet and we still got blamed anyways; While our possible future Iranians allies died while the same old delusionally  crazed Iranian government is still nicely in place for the much more higher possibility of the probable march to a confrontationally bloody war betwen the West and the uncontrollably brutal mullah ruled Iran, that at one time was the once proud & mighty Persian empire!
 
Oh hell... and don't even get me started on NoKo!
 
The scenario's just get more depressing the more one thinks about it.
 
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Panther       7/3/2009 9:45:53 PM
Apparently, the Iranians are not going along with Obama's and the rest f the West..... Kumbayah praise-a-thon. Seeing that the British embassy is being tried in Iranian courts for allegedly sparking the protests of "Ima Nutjob" stolen election! That and none of their rhetoric has changed, they have forcefully and brutally put down a protest in the most illegal and inhuman of ways that also ran counter to their own supposed constitution!
 
"Oh... i am so sure they will get a fair, nonpolitical, most impartial and very secular hearing"? Yeah right!
 
First they came for the American embassy staff in 79, and now they come for the British embassy staff in 09'!
 
To Obama worshippers: I'm rather surprised that Obama supporters haven't steped up to the plate to debate this cluster-f**k of growing diplomacy failures that he is still deluding himself into believing actually exists, or that it ever did exist since the mullah revolution in 79? Is it because there is the possibility that you all realize that he is actually wrong too be kowtowing to a bunch of cut-throat theocrats or perhaps you all are awakening to the fact that he wants to be, oh -wait a minute.........could it be that he has always been just like them?
 
Come on! Why the silence????????
 
 
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       7/3/2009 10:08:33 PM

Apparently, the Iranians are not going along with Obama's and the rest f the West..... Kumbayah praise-a-thon. Seeing that the British embassy is being tried in Iranian courts for allegedly sparking the protests of "Ima Nutjob" stolen election! That and none of their rhetoric has changed, they have forcefully and brutally put down a protest in the most illegal and inhuman of ways that also ran counter to their own supposed constitution!

 

"Oh... i am so sure they will get a fair, nonpolitical, most impartial and very secular hearing"? Yeah right!


 

First they came for the American embassy staff in 79, and now they come for the British embassy staff in 09'!


 

To Obama worshippers: I'm rather surprised that Obama supporters haven't steped up to the plate to debate this cluster-f**k of growing diplomacy failures that he is still deluding himself into believing actually exists, or that it ever did exist since the mullah revolution in 79? Is it because there is the possibility that you all realize that he is actually wrong too be kowtowing to a bunch of cut-throat theocrats or perhaps you all are awakening to the fact that he wants to be, oh -wait a minute.........could it be that he has always been just like them?


 

Come on! Why the silence????????


 

 


The difference is that the 79 revolution was against the Shah, this time it is more like the Chinese Cultural Revolution, a "revolution" by the establishment against a real revolution in the making.  This may be the beginning of a civil war, as the mullahs themselves are split, I'll bet the military is too.
 
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Le Zookeeper    What What Panther?? How could I not see te genius in this idea of urs!!   7/4/2009 2:32:41 AM
Brilliant ,support Moussavi and "Iranian Liberals" against the jackass neo Nazi Ahmednijabad in an active manner and you are gonna have Showtime beamed right into every Iranians home. Do you even know who these alleged "liberals" are? Let me tell you THE REAL STORY. Ayatollah Khomeini's buddies including Rafsanjhani etc have made a ton of money since 1979 when Shah got the goodbye from Iranian masses (and oh he was a liberal!!! mini skirts ok, psst Iran is basically a conserative Islamic society, the Saudis warned the Shah to stop Westernization as that wouldn't be accepted), getting back to this flare up. Now AHmednijabad and team are the new boys in town and they do not like the Moussavi clique since they are lining their pockets (call it earmarks)- thats all it is, and internal power struggle at the highest level FOR MONEY!!!
So support Moussavi and you support Ayatollah Khomeini's gang, support Ahmedinijabad and support the new gang. (under Ayotollah Khameni) How do you tell the difference between an Iranian liberal and conservative Ayatollah  Khomeini and Ayatollah Khameini? Khameini and Khomeni even sound the same. And Americans and Brits are as usual not really cool with  the Iranian masses. Obama did the right thing. Nothing.
 
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Le Zookeeper    Here, some common sense   7/4/2009 2:44:24 AM
Graphic for Geopolitical Intelligence Report

 

By George Friedman

Speaking of the situation in Iran, U.S. President Barack Obama said June 26, ?We don?t yet know how any potential dialogue will have been affected until we see what has happened inside of Iran.? On the surface that is a strange statement, since we know that with minor exceptions, the demonstrations in Tehran lost ... and security forces asserted themselves. By the conventional wisdom, events in Iran represent an oppressive regime crushing a popular rising. If so, it is odd that the U.S. president would raise the question of what has happened in Iran.

In reality, Obama?s point is well taken. This is because the real struggle in Iran has not yet b..., nor was it ever about the liberalization of the regime. Rather, it has been about the role of the clergy... — particularly the old-guard clergy — in Iranian life, and the future of particular personalities among this clergy.

Ahmadinejad Against the Clerical Elite

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad ran his re-electio..., charging them with corruption, luxurious living and running the state for their own benefit rather than that of the people. He particularly targeted Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, an extremely senior leader, and his family. Indeed, during the demonstrations, Rafsanjani?s daughter and four other relatives were arrested, held and then released a day later.

Rafsanjani represents the class of clergy that came to power in 1979. He served as president from 1989-1997, but Ahmadinejad defeated him in 2005. Rafsanjani carries enormous clout within the system as head of the regime?s two most powerful institutions — the Expediency Council, which arbitrates between the Guardian Council and parliament, and the Assembly of Experts, whose powers include oversight of the supreme leader. Forbes has called him one of the wealthiest men in the world. Rafsanjani, in other words, remains at the heart of the post-1979 Iranian establishment.

Ahmadinejad expressly ran his recent presidential campaign against Rafsanjani, using the latter?s family?s vast wealth to discredit Rafsanjani along with many of the senior clerics who dominate the Iranian political scene. It was not the regime as such that he opposed, but the individuals who currently dominate it. Ahmadinejad wants to retain the regime, but he wants to repopulate the leadership councils with clerics who share his populist values and want to revive the ascetic foundations of the regime. The Iranian president constantly contrasts his own modest lifestyle with the opulence of the current religious leadership.

Recognizing the threat Ahmadinejad represented to him personally and to the clerical class he belongs to, Rafsanjani fired back at Ahmadinejad, accusing him of having wrecked the economy. At his side were other powerful members of the regime, including Majlis Speaker Ali Larijani, who has made no secret of his antipathy toward Ahmadinejad and whose family links to the Shiite holy city of Qom give him substantial leverage. The underlying issue was about the kind of people who ought to be leading the clerical establishment. The battlefield was economic: Ahmadinejad?s charges of financial corruption versus charges of economic mismanagement leveled by Rafsanjani and others.

When Ahmadinejad defeated Mir Hoss

 
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Le Zookeeper    A little tip Panther before you embarras urself again   7/4/2009 2:59:36 AM
The author of ur article wrote this--
"The Shi'a will be Accepted by the Christians More Quickly than the Sufi or the Wahhabi Philosophy "
 
This is Ignormus MAXIMUS. I know Shia's , Sufis, and Sunnis. The Sufis are the mildest and even have sufi music, the Shia's are the ones that go about once a year beating  themselves and their kids till they bled- whats that called self-something, I mean even the kids bleed from their skulls and backs. The Sunnis(the Wahabi subsect the most extreme of theSunnis is Osama's sect and they are no better) well they are the majority of Moslems that we identify with. So if this author had a clue about Islamic sects it would be " None of the Moslem sects would be acceptable by the Christians perhaps the Sufis are the easiest, the Sunnis well just toss a coin if he is on the same flight as you , and the SHias
just mind their own business until u buttin then they grab ur embassy" Now the secular Moslems (all of them) are the ones Christians can deal with and there are bunch in the West but probaly less than 1% of the billion or so moslems worldwide.
 
I hope that clears out the various Islamic sects.
 
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