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Subject: Binghamton massacre carried out by laid-off IBM'er. The solution? An illegal alien amnesty.
Zhang Fei    4/4/2009 12:02:05 AM
Because like Space Invaders, it ain't over until the aliens win.

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Today another mass murder was carried out against innocent people in a public setting - this time in a immigration center in Binghamton, NY. And while the identity of the shooter has not been officially announced yet, the web is abuzz with unconfirmed reports that his name was Jiverly Voong (a.k.a. Linh Phat Voong), a Vietnamese immigrant who had just lost his job at IBM in a recent wave of layoffs at the company. Voong was apparently known to the staff of the American Civic Center where the shooting took place. According to the Associated Press his family said he had been in this country 28 years and had citizenship. As this drama plays out, and assuming Voong is confirmed as the gunman, this brings up an issue that should be of great concern to immigrant advocates here in Boston. That is, if it turns out that Voong was willing to kill fellow immigrants in response to his layoff from IBM - a layoff that was part of a move by IBM to offshore production to countries with cheaper labor costs like India - then this kind of violence could be merely the first of many such incidents to come.

These are difficult times for working families in the U.S. - with official federal unemployment numbers shooting up to 8.3 percent in March, as employers cut 663,000 jobs. And Boston is hardly immune to the global financial meltdown, as we've documented in these pages over and over again. Immigrants, most of whom have already left their countries-of-origin as economic refugees looking for jobs, are among the most vulnerable groups as unemployment figures rise. Add the steady drumbeat of anti-immigrant hysteria - fed to a huge public by ostensibly respectable news outlets like CNN nightly on shows like Lou Dobbs Tonight - to growing economic hardship suffered by the once-solid American middle class, and we've got the makings of a potential disaster for immigrants and organizations that support immigrants.

Ironically, at the same time, the election of Pres. Barrack Obama has provided some real openings for improvements in a heretofore irrational U.S. immigration policy. So we do not mean to suggest that immigrants - whose human rights Open Media Boston staunchly defends, as we staunchly defend the rights of all working families - should hide their heads in the sand at this critical moment because some unkind person decided to commit a ... shall we say ... externalized suicide.

We are, however, sounding a note of caution that Boston is hardly immune to this kind of violence. And we're not just talking about ongoing gang shootings either, which already take more than their fair share of innocent lives every year. We're thinking more about the abortion clinic shootings in Brookline several years ago. Another event that combined a victimized constituency, earnest advocates, a serious lack of security, and the crazed U.S. gun culture into a horrid outcome like the one we saw today.

Open Media Boston is concerned that this latest outrage energize five responses from people of good conscience.

First, people should do everything they can to help fight for a progressive immigration policy that stops criminalizing huge groups of people merely because they want to live and work in the U.S.

Second, as part of the first response, it would be really helpful if everyone took some time - at least once a week - to do battle with the nativist lobby in media and elsewhere in society. Write angry emails about unfair unbalanced anti-immigrant programming on networks like CNN, challenge nativists when they appear in your community, work with immigrant advocates to hold public forums and rallies, and lobby your politicians in support of immigrant rights.

Third, support the labor movement wherever you can. Help rebuild a nation that respects and defends labor rights as human rights in the U.S. and around the world - as one of the best possible solutions to corporate globalization and the economic war of all against all that it has caused. Join a union if possible, and help start one if there's not one at your workplace.

Fourth, fully fund community mental health programs that have been limping along since privatization and deinstitutionalization of the mental health sector began in the 1980s. This reform alone would do a hell of a lot to stop people from thinking it might be a good idea to get some guns and go blow away a lot of random folks before committing the suicide that was the ultimate aim of their penultimate brutal gesture.

Fifth, and finally, let's get some European-style strong gun control laws enacted on a federal level. People just don't need to be walking around with firearms on a day-to-day basis. And it should be really hard to get them at all times. If we can do that, we're going to limit the ability of angry individuals to kill lots of other people with easily available handguns and rifles.

If lots of people, especially local viewers, commit to this kind of activism in the public interest then we can ensure - as far as it's humanly possible - that the kind of tragedy that struck Binghamton today, never happens here. Or anywhere else in the U.S. ever again.

Our hearts go out to the families of the victims, and if we get word of any funds in their support - since many of those killed were recent immigrants with little financial means - we'll certainly append the information to this editorial.
 
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stbretnco       4/4/2009 12:04:34 AM
As stated in another thread, the police haven't even figured outthe details to what in hell happened.
 
At least let the bodies cool before using this for political points.
 
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sentinel28a       4/4/2009 1:31:51 AM
Wow.  I haven't read something that insipid since the last time John Kerry opened his mouth.
 
So, because one nutball goes in and kills 14 people, we should now support illegal immigration (because, y'know, MS-13 would never do something like this), worldwide labor movements (i.e. radical Marxists), and European-style gun control (because school shootings only happen in America, right?)
 
I have a better idea: ban Vietnamese immigrants!  I mean, the guy was Vietnamese, right?  And he drove there in a car! Cars are dangerous! Let's ban them too.  It'll help Mother Gaia, yes?
 
(Yes, this is me being sarcastic.)   
 
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WarNerd       4/4/2009 3:07:30 AM

Wow.  I haven't read something that insipid since the last time John Kerry opened his mouth.
 
(Yes, this is me being sarcastic.)   

Can I take this as a clear indication that you NEVER watch any televised coverage of congress?
 
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EvilFishy       4/4/2009 6:30:32 AM




Wow.  I haven't read something that insipid since the last time John Kerry opened his mouth.

 

(Yes, this is me being sarcastic.)   





Can I take this as a clear indication that you NEVER watch any televised coverage of congress?


Hah!   I still contend that Jerry Springer took his inspiration from watching Congress in session.
 
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stbretnco       4/4/2009 10:04:02 AM
By the way, as far as the shooter being a laid off IBM employee, Rep. Hinchey was speaking without verifying facts (Coming from someone who thinks nationalizing petroleum production is a good idea, I'm not surprised).
 
IBM has no record of the man as an employee or as a contractor.
 
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warpig       4/4/2009 10:55:40 AM




Wow.  I haven't read something that insipid since the last time John Kerry opened his mouth.
(Yes, this is me being sarcastic.)   

Can I take this as a clear indication that you NEVER watch any televised coverage of congress?


Hah!   I still contend that Jerry Springer took his inspiration from watching Congress in session.



 
Don't forget, Springer was Mayor of Cincinnati before he became a TV show host.  I'm sure he saw a microcosm of the same sort of human scum and villany there as is found in Congress.

 
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xylene       4/4/2009 3:11:26 PM
Everytime something like this occurs we need to increase the price on cigarrettes. Those dirty rotten smokers are gonna pay and pay dearly.
 
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Zhang Fei       4/4/2009 5:49:37 PM
The rest of the story:
Jiverly Wong was upset over losing his job at a vacuum plant, didn't like people picking on him for his limited English and once angrily told a co-worker, "America sucks."

It remains unclear exactly why the Vietnamese immigrant strapped on a bulletproof vest, barged in on a citizenship class and killed 13 people and himself, but the police chief says he knows one thing for sure: "He must have been a coward."

Jiverly Wong had apparently been preparing for a gun battle with police but changed course and decided to turn the gun on himself when he heard sirens approaching, Chief Joseph Zikuski said Saturday.

"He had a lot of ammunition on him, so thank God before more lives were lost, he decided to do that," the chief said.

Police and Wong's acquaintances portrayed him as an angry, troubled man who struggled with drugs and job loss and perhaps blamed his adopted country for his troubles. His rampage "was not a surprise" to those who knew him, Zikuski said.

Wong, who used the alias Jiverly Voong, believed people close to him were making fun of him for his poor English language skills, the chief said. But police said the motive still wasn't clear.

Until last month, he had been taking classes at the American Civic Association, which helps immigrants assimilate.

Then, on Friday, he parked his car against the back door of the association, burst through the front doors and shot two receptionists, killing one, before moving on to a classroom where he claimed 12 more victims, police said.

The police chief said that most of the dead had multiple gunshot wounds. Wong used two handguns for which he had obtained a permit more than a decade ago.

The receptionist who survived, 61-year-old Shirley DeLucia, played dead, then called 911 despite her injuries and stayed on the line while the gunman remained in the building.

DeLucia was in critical condition Saturday. The police chief said she and three other shooting victims were all expected to survive.

Wong's tactics — including the body armor and copious ammunition — fit him into a category of killers called "pseudo-commandos," said Park Dietz, a criminologist and forensic psychiatrist at UCLA who analyzed the Columbine High School shootings in Colorado in 1999.

Barricading the back doors to trap his prey "was his way of ensuring that he could maximize his kill rate," Dietz said. "This was all about anger, paranoia, and desperation."

The road that took Wong to his demise in a classroom at the American Civic Association in downtown Binghamton began 41 years ago and half a world away in Vietnam, where he was born into an ethnically Chinese family.

He moved to the States in the early 1990s and soon afterward became a citizen, friends and relatives said. He worked at IBM for a time, friend Hue Huynh said, but decided to move to California.

There, he worked for seven years at a caterer called Kikka Sushi, eventually making $9 an hour, said Paulus Lukas, the company's human resources manager.

"He was really good at doing his job — we respected him for that," Lukas told the Los Angeles Times. "He's never late, he's always punctual. And when he finishes his job, he goes home. He doesn't complain, he doesn't argue with people. He gets along."

But one day he simply didn't show up for work, Lukas told the Times. Early last year, he called asking the company to send his tax forms to a New York state address.

Back in New York, he apparently worked at the Shop-Vac plant in Binghamton. Former co-worker Kevin Greene told the Daily News of New York that Wong once said, in answer to whether he liked the New York Yankees, "No, I don't like that team. I don't like America. America sucks."

The plant closed in November, and Wong was out of a job. That's apparently when things really started to go downhill.

"People who end up doing this particular thing have an accumulation of stressers in their lives, and ultimately there is the one that broke the camel's back," Dietz said. "Job loss is one of the big ones, and those stressers are happening more often this year."

Huynh, the 56-year-old proprietor of an Asian grocery store in Binghamton frequented by the gunman's sister, ran into Wong at the gym recently and noted that he was complaining about how he couldn't find work.

His unemployment benefits were only $200 a week, and he lamented his bad luck, she said.

"He's upset he don't have a job here. He come back and want to work," Huynh said. Her husband tried to cheer him up by saying that he was still young and had plenty of time to find work.

Wong's story is similar to how friends were describing the recent trials of a man accused of opening fire on Pittsburgh police officers during a domestic dispute Saturday, killing three of them. They said he had recently been upset about losing his job; police say that, like Wong, he was wearing a bulletproof vest.

The Binghamton police chief said Saturday that those who were close to Wong weren't surprised to see his eventual meltdown.

A woman reached at the home who identified herself as Wong's sister told The Associated Press late Friday she did not believe he was the gunman. "I think somebody involved, not him," she said.

That's not an unusual response, Dietz said.

"What will be revealed if the investigation goes deep enough is that many people in a shooter's world knew that he was angry, mad, unreasonable, scary at times, and recently some of them came to learn that he was threatening and armed," said Dietz, who is not involved in the Binghamton investigation.

"They've known that for a long time, but none of them did what they should have done with that information."

State police got tips suggesting that Wong may have been planning a bank robbery in 1999, possibly to support a crack-cocaine addiction, Zikuski said. But the robbery never happened, and Zikuski had no other information.

Wong's father was well-known in the Binghamton area through his work years ago at the now-defunct World Relief Organization, helping recent immigrants find a doctor and obtain food stamps.

"Everyone, when they come to America, he's the one who helps," said Ty Tran, who came to the United States in 1990.

Mark Preston, 48, a neighbor of the gunman in Johnson City, outside Binghamton, said people in the family keep to themselves but often tended the bushes in their yard.

"They grow great vegetables and roses," he said.

 
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Zhang Fei       4/4/2009 6:01:06 PM
Note that the cops hung back for an hour before entering the facility, by which time many of the seriously wounded were probably dead. These cops acted as if their responsibility was to wait for the crime to be carried out and then investigate it. The truth is that not every security officer will value your life as much as he does his own. Columbine wasn't the first instance of cops standing by while a massacre was being carried out, and these Binghamton cops are proof-positive that it's not the last. This is why it's better for people to protect themselves with firearms rather than rely 100% on the cops to do so. Because your instinct for self-preservation will always be stronger than a cop's instinct to rush into the unknown at the risk of his own life.
 
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timon_phocas       4/4/2009 6:01:09 PM
I don't want to say that this is a widespread phenomenon, but here's what happened at the last two programming jobs I had. We wrote the system (or extensively modified the purchased ERP). We got it running, got it fast and got it dependable. These tasks took in-depth knowledge of the OS, hardware, DBMS, and the business itself. All that notwithstanding, we were laid off and replaced by contract Indian programmers (who were paid 50% of our salary, and only had green cards as long as they were employed).
 
As you might imagine, I am not a fan of "technical expert" visa programs.   
 
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warpig       4/4/2009 8:32:09 PM
Here's my prediction for the gun-grabbers reaction to this incident and the other recent one in Pittsburgh cited in the latest article posted by Zhang Fei:
 
Stand by for calls for Congress to ban sale, transfer, possession, etc. of ballistic protection vests.  You see, if there are no scary objects in the hands of wackos, then wackos can't hurt you.  Therefore, ban the possession of scary objects by law-abiding citizens and hope that this will manage to prevent some wackos from ever getting a hold of any scary objects....
 
After all, Wong bought his pistols ten years ago.  If somehow someone had "done the right thing with their information about Wong starting to look like a wacko" (to paraphrase one police chief in that article) during the last few years, then I'm sure that sale ten years ago would have been prevented and Wong would have been incapable of obtaining similar pistols anywhere else, and also would not have been able to obtain and wear ballistic armor.  Ergo, no horrific mass murder.  Although apparently he forgot to by a ballistic balaclava to cover the side of his head that he shot himself in.
 
 
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sentinel28a       4/5/2009 6:36:53 PM




Wow.  I haven't read something that insipid since the last time John Kerry opened his mouth.

 

(Yes, this is me being sarcastic.)   





Can I take this as a clear indication that you NEVER watch any televised coverage of congress?


Pretty much, yeah.  The mere chance of seeing Pelosi, Reid, and/or Barney Frank would cause severe gastric distress, so I avoid that channel. 
Except for Prime Minister's Questions.  I love that show. 

 
 
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ArtyEngineer    timon   4/5/2009 6:52:26 PM

I don't want to say that this is a widespread phenomenon, but here's what happened at the last two programming jobs I had. We wrote the system (or extensively modified the purchased ERP). We got it running, got it fast and got it dependable. These tasks took in-depth knowledge of the OS, hardware, DBMS, and the business itself. All that notwithstanding, we were laid off and replaced by contract Indian programmers (who were paid 50% of our salary, and only had green cards as long as they were employed).

 

As you might imagine, I am not a fan of "technical expert" visa programs.   


Well as a holder of a E-1 "Technical Expert" visa I beg to differ ;)  You are also wrong in your calling this a "Green Card" they are 2 very different things.  What mechanism would you propose to allow us "technical specialists" to live and work in the US?
 
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YelliChink       4/5/2009 9:36:31 PM

Well as a holder of a E-1 "Technical Expert" visa I beg to differ ;)  You are also wrong in your calling this a "Green Card" they are 2 very different things.  What mechanism would you propose to allow us "technical specialists" to live and work in the US?


Just my $0.02.
 
Exploitive hiring is too difficult to resist for employers. If those Indian programmers were required to be paid exactly the same to timon,  then this kind of thing won't happen in the US. Employers would simply close down the whole US branch and reopen it in Mumbai or Shanghai.
 
The unfortunate reality is that now is not a good time for foreigners to seek jobs in the US. When the economy and job market are expanding, nobody would care coming foreigners taking some jobs. Laid-off Americans can find better jobs with even higher payment in a strong bull market. This is not the case at the moment, when unemployment rate rise to 8.5%. The immediate knee-jerk response to foreign workers is not only understandable, but also required to protect benefit for citizens.
 
BTW, Arty, I don't think American employers will pay 50% of the American engineer they just laid off to hire an English one. That simply won't happen in general. I doubt that they pay 50% to Russians, Poles or Czechs, but it's always Indian and Chinese got highly reduced payment. Chinese were thrown out from the US in 1882 for the very same reason. The ultimate solution might not be asking government, which apparently favors corporate intersts, to do something, but to teach Chinese and Indians how to strike.
 
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Zhang Fei       4/5/2009 9:39:02 PM
I find it is amusing the the police chief is talking about failure and cowardice when the police failed to enter the facility for 90 minutes despite having the advantage of numbers, training and firepower, until all but one of the wounded were dead:
 The police chief said Wong's suicide was his final act of failure.

Police believe Wong planned to go out in a blaze of glory in a gunfight with cops, but got cold feet when he heard sirens and put a bullet between his eyes.

"He must have been a coward," Zikuski said.

"We speculate that when he heard the sirens, he decided to end his own life. He was heavily armed, had a lot of ammunition on him and, thank God, before more lives were lost, that he decided to do that."

 
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