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Subject: FYI- did u know 28 Americans die daily due to gun violence
Necromancer    3/31/2009 2:41:30 AM
Gun control overdue!!!
 
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BasinBictory       4/8/2009 1:58:12 PM
Interesting you didn't include tables for automobile accident deaths, electrical shock, medical malpractice, and even sports-related deaths. We should ban motorcycles, electricity, doctors, skateboards, skiing, swimming pools and dogs over 30 pounds. Then, we might all live to be a ripe old age.
 
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RockyMTNClimber    It is worth noting.....   4/8/2009 2:05:23 PM
 
In spite of record numbers of households now owning (and training to use) personal firearms the accident rate continues to fall.
 
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buzzard       4/8/2009 3:02:34 PM
Interesting you didn't include tables for automobile accident deaths, electrical shock, medical malpractice, and even sports-related deaths. We should ban motorcycles, electricity, doctors, skateboards, skiing, swimming pools and dogs over 30 pounds. Then, we might all live to be a ripe old age.
 
 That's why I included the link. You can probably dig it all up. The tool provided by the CDC really is quite nice. It's very flexible.
 
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BasinBictory       4/8/2009 7:42:19 PM

 

In spite of record numbers of households now owning (and training to use) personal firearms the accident rate continues to fall.

 

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Well, I'm positive that has to do with mandatory waiting periods, background checks, redundant safety devices built into guns, mandatory trigger locks, and low-cap magazines!!! ;D
 
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Aussiegunneragain    Buzzard   4/9/2009 7:47:00 AM
Neat stats site. Heres what I learned from it.
 
As you have indicated to us about accidental gun deaths.
 
1999
824
279,040,181
0.30
0.29
2000
776
281,421,906
0.28
0.27
2001
802
285,112,030
0.28
0.28
2002
762
287,888,021
0.26
0.26
2003
730
290,447,644
0.25
0.25
2004
 
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buzzard       4/9/2009 8:44:01 AM
How much money has the US spent  and how many civil liberties have been trodden on to fight terrorism over this period of time? I'd suggest you stop worrying about it. After all, far more people are killed by drowning, falls and cars.
 
 You won't find me arguing this point. I find the system of airport security since 9/11 to be an exercise in idiocy and waste. Monitoring actual people with ties to terrorists, I have no beef with. As with most other big news items, politicians run with stupid solutions after the fact and make it into a huge CYA event with pretty much no regard for the costs or actual benefits involved.
 
If one does care to look at the statistics, you can really dig up how much insane level of waste is involved in government mandates that protect us from vanishingly  tiny probability threats.
 
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Aussiegunneragain    Buzzard   4/9/2009 10:02:06 AM

How much money has the US
spent  and how many civil liberties have been trodden on to fight
terrorism over this period of time? I'd suggest you stop worrying about
it. After all, far more people are killed by drowning, falls and cars.

 

 You won't find me arguing this point. I find the system of airport security since 9/11 to be an exercise in idiocy and waste. Monitoring actual people with ties to terrorists, I have no beef with. As with most other big news items, politicians run with stupid solutions after the fact and make it into a huge CYA event with pretty much no regard for the costs or actual benefits involved.


 

If one does care to look at the statistics, you can really dig up how much insane level of waste is involved in government mandates that protect us from vanishingly  tiny probability threats.



Fair enough.
 
Anyway, I've started a discussion about how the Australian Government is blowing $20 billion bucks (quite a bit in Australia) on a new broadband network that the market won't support on the Australia board, if you are interested in discussing costs versus benefits and Government versus private sector investment.
 
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RockyMTNClimber    The religion of Gun Control is unmasked...   4/9/2009 11:02:47 AM
Aga, you tried but you were unable to find factual data to support your faith in gun control. You even quote an international study that was unable to empirically state guns are bad so it said it would keep working on it and get back to US. Compare that to the Peer Reviewed work in prestigious academic venues that I provided and the Strategy Pagers here can draw their own conclusions.
 
We have a natural right of self defense and gun control laws destroy that right. Where draconian gun control laws have been instituted, places like Australia, UK and the US, gun crimes and violent crimes of all types went up. Dramatically. Gun control causes crime is a very bad idea.
 
Gun control a sad religion that has failed miserably.
 
Check Six
 
Rocky
 
 
Given that this mammoth effort has come to no conclusion I doubt that Rocky and I are going to solve the empirical problem by throwing statistics that suit our own arguments out here, though I have no doubt that Rocky will continue to drone on with the same line because that is what  just what he does with every argument. As such I think I'll belatedly act on Smitty's advice and leave you all to believe that your guns are making you safer from all those criminals and the evil Federal Government. Power to you. <Aga
 
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buzzard       4/9/2009 11:24:12 AM
Anyway, I've started a discussion about how the Australian Government is blowing $20 billion bucks (quite a bit in Australia) on a new broadband network that the market won't support on the Australia board, if you are interested in discussing costs versus benefits and Government versus private sector investment.
 
 I might take a look, but I generally don't go into the other national forums too much as I'm generally not informed enough to make a good case (well beyond first principles, but those don't always cut it). I suppose I could inform myself, but that would approach being work.
 
I might just anyway though. 
 
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Aussiegunneragain       4/9/2009 11:53:24 AM

Aga, you tried but you were unable to find factual data to support your faith in gun control. You even quote an international study that was unable to empirically state guns are bad so it said it would keep working on it and get back to US. Compare that to the Peer Reviewed work in prestigious academic venues that I provided and the Strategy Pagers here can draw their own conclusions.

 

We have a natural right of self defense and gun control laws destroy that right. Where draconian gun control laws have been instituted, places like Australia, UK and the US, gun crimes and violent crimes of all types went up. Dramatically. Gun control causes crime is a very bad idea.

 

Gun control a sad religion that has failed miserably.

 

Check Six

 

Rocky

 
Given that this mammoth effort has come to no conclusion I doubt that Rocky and I are going to solve the empirical problem by throwing statistics that suit our own arguments out here, though I have no doubt that Rocky will continue to drone on with the same line because that is what  just what he does with every argument. As such I think I'll belatedly act on Smitty's advice and leave you all to believe that your guns are making you safer from all those criminals and the evil Federal Government. Power to you. <Aga



Like clockwork. Ho, hum.
 
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