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Ashley-the-man 10/11/2008 11:18:13 AM

The fact that McCain is still this close is not a testiment to his campaign, but the many negatives of Obama. McCain could have painted Obama into the corner on the bailout by not going to Washington and supporting alternative plans. McCain is loosing not because his is a maverick and an honorable man, but for poor political skills and failure to address his base.

At least Palin has four years to hone her skills. First we will have a president of color, then two women will run and one elected in 2012.

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PaulG 10/11/2008 7:57:22 PM

Why should whipping up the GOP base be so important to McCain's election prospects?

The base isn't a majority and the independents/swing voters he needs aren't in tune with all that hate being spewed out at McCain's rallies.

If the hate stuff was working for McCain in the polls, he'd have kept doing it. It wasn't working, so he stopped. If the GOP base doesn't like that, where are they going to go? To Bob Barr?

I concur on one issue: it makes no sense to me at all to allow Palin to go around mouthing off about how Obama was "palling around" with a terrorist and then have McCain turn around and call Obama a decent man.

How could someone who pals around with terrorists be a decent man?

That contradiction speaks to McCain's moral degeneration. OTOH, it may be that he never had any moral decency to begin with, something that looks more and more likely.

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xylene 10/11/2008 8:19:05 PM

At least Palin has four years to hone her skills. First we will have a president of color, then two women will run and one elected in 2012.

If the Republicans can not find someone within the their party better than Palin to run in 2012, they are in a larger mess than I thought.

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The-Great 10/11/2008 8:34:16 PM

McCain didn't go soft he went smart, he needs independents and swing votes to win, that lady was an embarassment, she was ignorant and racist, if he had gone along with what she was saying this race would really be over. You don't seem to to understand that this is not 1940s or 50s, you have to choose your words carefully, that lady could have hurt his campaign with her ignorant comments.

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The-Great 10/11/2008 8:35:33 PM

At least Palin has four years to hone her skills. First we will have a president of color, then two women will run and one elected in 2012.

If the Republicans can not find someone within the their party better than Palin to run in 2012, they are in a larger mess than I thought.

McCain should have went with Romney, Palin is a joke as a VP.

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hardcharger Just a Hunch 10/11/2008 10:47:37 PM

I smell an ambush coming at the next debate, and not by Obama, What McCain was doing was trying to quell some racist comments being made in the Minesota and Wisconsin crowds. It may prove to be a smart move. Everthing is riding on the last Debate, and I do for some reason smell an ambush coming.

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Ashley-the-man 10/11/2008 11:47:31 PM

If the Republicans can not find someone within the their party better than Palin to run in 2012, they are in a larger mess than I thought.

Obama made a speech at the 2004 convention has has been running for president since - with less experience than Palin. If she spends as much time running for president they she will have a strong energized republican base. She will be more charismatic to her base then Obama or Clinton are to theirs.

If you think Palin stirs up controversey and is viewed by the left as a hater, then as extreme as she gets, she will still not be as much a hater and distasteful as Reid and Pelosi.

If Obama wants to try to link McCain to Bush, then McCain is missing the opportunity of linking Obama to Reid and Palin - they of the a congress that has even lower poll figures than Bush.

The day after the election McCain will be Bob Dole, a footnote in history. Palin will rise from the ashes and bedevil the democrates for years to come.

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smitty237 Not feeling any better 10/12/2008 1:24:39 AM

Terrific. I was hoping to hear from some McCain supporters who would either try to reassure me or provide some insight as to how we can still win this election, but instead I seemed to have attracted a lot of the Obama afficionados on this site. Why they even frequent this site is a mystery to me since I can't fathom why a person who is in favor of a strong military and concerned about defense issues would want Barack Obama to be our next president, but I'll leave that for another thread. Instead, since I seem to have attracted their attention I will challenge them to support some of their specious comments on the above posts.

First of all, I defy any of you to specifically identify the supposed racist rhetoric coming from the McCain campaign. John McCain has gone out of his way to avoid even the appearance of racism in his campaign, probably to his detriment since he has allowed a lot of issues to go unaddressed (Rev. Wright). If anything, it is Barack Obama that has brought up race in his campaign by saying that he "doesn't look like the other presidents on the dollar bills", and "oh by the way, he's black." Those are Obama's words, not McCain's or Palin's. Another poster specifically accused Palin of being a racist. Well, I'm all ears. Either put up or shut up. I want to hear what Sarah Palin has said that would cause anyone to infer that she is a racist, and don't give me this "code words" bullshit. If you can't quote specific racist things that she has said, then you're only spouting an ill-informed, biased opinion and we all know what opinions are like...........

On a similar note, please identify all this "hate speech" being spewed by the McCain campaign. I personally feel that Barack Hussein Obama is a left wing radical that is a product of the corrupt Chicago political machine and the most inexperienced presidential candidate in modern history. On top of that, I feel that the media has been in the bag for Obama since day one, and he probably wouldn't be where he is today if he were a white candidate. If all that's "hate speech" then I don't know what to tell you. A central strategy to many of Obama's supporters has been to label any criticism of Obama as racist, and imply that if Obama were to lose the election that it would be primarily because of racism. This would seem to also imply that a good portion of McCain's supporters are racists simply because they won't vote for a black man. Again, who is actually spewing the hate?

To me it is absurd that Obama is benefiting from the recent economic developments. I have my own opinions on the timing of this whole crisis, but I've discussed that elsewhere. The more the origins of this mess has been explored the more it has been demonstrated that McCain worked hard in the past to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, while Democratic leaders like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd fought regulation, yet the media and the Obama campaign have managed to manipulate this crisis to hurt McCain.

Rather than hear from all of you what a jerk McCain and Palin are I would rather have a discussion as to what McCain could do to turn the election around and win. As an offering to you Obama fans I would concede that Obama is doing exactly what he should be doing to win. He is connecting McCain to Bush and feeding the myth that this whole economic mess is the Republican's fault, while ignoring any other issue that is brought up. He should keep doing this and hope it carries him through til election day. Now, what should McCain do to beat Obama?

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Jimme There there smitty 10/12/2008 2:28:15 AM

I think McC is trying to bank some nice points for future reference. Honestly the base is not as important at this point as are the undecided mid-liners, and they may very well be turned off by such talk. Just look, even such BO fans like "the great" are calling him smart, and some others are saying nice things about him for a change.

Ultimately I think HardCharger has it right. I am looking for a serious trump card to be dealt by McCain at the last debate and near November. Honestly I think there has to be a real reason why John has yet to bring up things like Ayers and Acorn face to face with BO. John knows its what all Republicans want and are waiting for, so why not give it to them? He also knows BO has no real answer for it other then to try and dismiss it as irrelevant.

So now when McCain does get nasty he can later say "I tried to be nice but I must speak out against such despicable actions ect..." At least thats where I hope this is going.

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Nasty German Idiot 10/12/2008 10:48:13 AM

Well, in a two party system, People with really radical views may (will ?) show up on either party. The same thing could have happened on a Democratic Party, some crazy leftwing defending Bill Ayers for example.

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PaulG 10/12/2008 1:45:26 PM

Smitty,

First of all, that elderly female that McCain you discussed in your opening post was not talking about Obama's ties to Bill Ayers -- she said Obama was an Arab:

http:
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf6YKOkfFsE

About :54 in.

In fact, she said later she called him an "Arab terrorist" though the word "terrorist" didn't get picked up by the mic.

As to hate speech, the Secret Service is now investigating reports of murder threats against Obama being shouted out at McCain-Palin rallies.

Frank Rich succinctly delivers the run down on how McCain-Palin are working the hate angle in today's NY Times.

The key excerpt:

All's fair in politics. John McCain and Sarah Palin have every right to bring up William Ayers, even if his connection to Obama is minor, even if Ayers's Weather Underground history dates back to Obama's childhood, even if establishment Republicans and Democrats alike have collaborated with the present-day Ayers in educational reform. But it's not just the old Joe McCarthyesque guilt-by-association game, however spurious, that?s going on here. Don't for an instant believe the many mindlessly "even-handed" journalists who keep saying that the McCain campaign's use of Ayers is the moral or political equivalent of the Obama campaign's hammering on Charles Keating.

What makes them different, and what has pumped up the Weimar-like rage at McCain-Palin rallies, is the violent escalation in rhetoric, especially (though not exclusively) by Palin. Obama "launched his political career in the living room of a domestic terrorist." He is "palling around with terrorists" (note the plural noun). Obama is "not a man who sees America the way you and I see America." Wielding a wildly out-of-context Obama quote, Palin slurs him as an enemy of American troops.

By the time McCain asks the crowd "Who is the real Barack Obama?" it?s no surprise that someone cries out "Terrorist!" The rhetorical conflation of Obama with terrorism is complete. It is stoked further by the repeated invocation of Obama's middle name by surrogates introducing McCain and Palin at these rallies. This sleight of hand at once synchronizes with the poisonous Obama-is-a-Muslim e-mail blasts and shifts the brand of terrorism from Ayers's Vietnam-era variety to the radical Islamic threats of today.

That's a far cry from simply accusing Obama of being a guilty-by-association radical leftist. Obama is being branded as a potential killer and an accessory to past attempts at murder. "Barack Obama's friend tried to kill my family" was how a McCain press release last week packaged the remembrance of a Weather Underground incident from 1970 — when Obama was 8.

We all know what punishment fits the crime of murder, or even potential murder, if the security of post-9/11 America is at stake. We all know how self-appointed "patriotic" martyrs always justify taking the law into their own hands.

The whole column is here, and it has links to supportive evidence for his assertions:

http://
www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/opinion/12rich.html?hp

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RockyMTNClimber Regarding: Not feeling any better 10/12/2008 1:47:09 PM

Hello again Smitty,

Well what can be said here that has not been said by you already? McCain is an imperfect candidate for the conservatives, at best. He ran an unusual campaign in the primaries, he was broke 2-3 times but still shuffled back in time to get the nomination. He sees himself in some idealistic light that I personally can not fathom. His statement earlier in the year that: "I would rather loose an election than a war..." was completely lost on me. Although he was much lauded as high minded by the press, what wasn't said was that without winning the damn election we already had lost the fracking war!!!

Obama is a corrupt marxist. If he is elected along with reid and pelosi's leadership we will see damage to our economy and national security on a scale that will make us wish for a return to Carter. These people are beatable in the election (at least they were a few weeks ago) and yet McCain acts like the juvinile character Maverick in the movie Top-Gun, he just refuses to engage. Well, that spin may have been hell but it really doesn't matter if you let the other guy win. Elections matter. So does leadership. I'm still looking for leadership from McCain. 21 days and counting down............

Check Six

Rocky

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RockyMTNClimber For a Republican glass half full... 10/12/2008 2:41:13 PM

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Victor Davis Hansens's piece in the National Review, Online. He says the case can be made yet to sway a close election cycle and maybe he is right. We should remind ourselves that in spite of all the advantages obama has, he still only leads McCain by single digits in national political polls that almost always over value the dem votes by 4-7%. That means it really is a 2-5% race today, favoring obama (with a margin for error in the 3-5% range). obama does not close well (remember he didn't win the nomination outright he had to be put over the top by the democrat party super-delegates revolting against another Clinton election), and the Bradley effect hangs over everything.

May you live in interesting times. We will see.

Check Six

Rocky

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warpig 10/12/2008 2:54:18 PM

I admit that, since I have never found a Democrat politician worth more than a spit since the death of Larry MacDonald, I haven't even bothered to pay much attention to whomever Obama hangs with. PaulG apparently believes what the NYT says, and Ayers is no more than a (former) murdering communist revolutionary from 40 years ago (when, after all, Obama was only 8 yearas old). Apparently then, Ayers clearly has reformed and ever since Obama has gotten to know him and befriend him and learn from him/get help from him, Ayers has openly declared he is a changed man, right? I mean, ever since Obama has associated with Ayres, it's only been after Ayers repudiated his eariler actions and has declared his remorse for them and heartfelt intention to never act that way again, and in fact deeply regrets he made such horrible mistakes earlier in his mis-spent and foolish youth, right?

Because that is, after all, the ***ONLY*** way it would be excusable to closely associate wioth such a vile maggot as Ayers (was?)--and to associate with him under any lesser circumstances in such a close manner as Obama apparently has is in itself a character indictment that in combination with so many other reasons, clearly would place Obama right into the column of, oh, maybe say, terrorist communist disaster for America... or thereabouts.

So unless Ayers publically declared and demonstrated his changed heart and mind before Obama ever got to know him... go, Sarah, go!

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PaulG 10/12/2008 6:40:04 PM

Warpig,

You've been rolled by the GOP b.s. machine on the Ayers-Obama nonsense.

http://
www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied_about_bill_ayers.html

Note that if one side in a political argument has to lie to make its case, that generally means the facts don't support their argument.

And if you're concerned about dubious associations, you may wish to direct your attention to the woman who calls into question just who it is Obama has been palling around with: it seems that Palin has been palling around with a vehemently anti-American Alaskan separatist group throughout her political career. And she also pals around with a hubby who was a member of said group (the Alaska Independence Party) until 2002. And just a few months ago she addressed said group on Video, telling them to "keep up the good work."

I know you don't want to be accused of being a hypocrite on this, so you might wish to google a bit about Palin and the Alaksa Independence Party and ask her supporters why she's been so close to a group that so vehemently hates America.

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