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Subject: McCain vs Obama
Nanheyangrouchuan    6/4/2008 2:53:56 AM
It's final. It's on!
 
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doggtag    Who's going to be whose VPs is the big question...   6/4/2008 7:13:54 AM
Seems to be a lot of speculation that Barack *should* offer Hillary his VP position out of some kind of either professional courtesy (good sportsmanship?) or loyalty to the Democratic party...but I have a horrible gut feeling that she's still carrying too many grudges excess baggage from her husband's days in office.
Plus, she seems to be one of those "but I deserve it!" types, and seeing as her lame excuse for an apology over the whole assassination remark (about Bobbie Kennedy after winning the California primary way back in his day, and only really apologizing to the Kennedy family moreso than any apology to Barack),
my greatest fear is that,
were he to pick her as VP,
if anything were to happen to him,
then somehow, some way, she'd have ties to it.
 
Were Barack to pick a woman running mate,
hell I'd much rather see Condi in there (doubtful, as she's isn't a Dem), although I doubt very many Americans will choose to stay colorblind when we have both POTUS and VPOTUS being of African-American decent (but as we've seen from these primaries, the real power is held by the electoral college's voting delegates, not so much as the popular vote that many Americans want to believe is the decision maker),
or I'd even suggest Nanci Pelosi would be a better canadidate than Hillary.
Aftar all, if anyone has experience in balancing both parties' squandering with each other, it's got to be Pelosi.
 
Surely there are more competent Congresswomen than Clinton for Barack to choose from, if he feels he needs a female running mate.
 
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PowerPointRanger    McCain Jindal   6/4/2008 7:34:09 AM
I noticed that McCain chose to appear with Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal on the night of BO's nomination triumph.
Latest buzz on the internet is that conservatives are consolidating around Jindal for VP.  Does this suggest that Jindal's stock is on the rise with McCain?
 
Personally, I think Jindal may have a big future with the party if he avoids making making blunders as Governor.  His conservative credentials are strong, and he is by most accounts personable and bright.  However, I think he may not be the right choice for McCain as VP.  Jindal's youth undercuts McCains best argument against BO: experience.  McCain has tons of experience, BO has none (at all).
 
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displacedjim       6/4/2008 9:50:28 AM

...although I doubt very many Americans will choose to stay colorblind when we have both POTUS and VPOTUS being of African-American decent.

Definitely agree, Doggtag, that would surely cinch it for many black voters.

 
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xylene       6/4/2008 12:23:58 PM
He should stay away from Hillary. She's too ambitious and I guarantee she feels she was "robbed". If she was VP , she would ensure she would become POTUS.
 
He should focus on Bill Richardson, John Edwards, or Gray Davis.
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       6/4/2008 2:07:25 PM

He should stay away from Hillary. She's too ambitious and I guarantee she feels she was "robbed". If she was VP , she would ensure she would become POTUS.

 

He should focus on Bill Richardson, John Edwards, or Gray Davis.


I think Hillary has not conceded defeat because she is hoping to harass and blackmail Obama into accepting her as the VP candidate.  She assumed she would get the Dem nod for President because she was a woman and her last name Clinton.  Now she assumes she should be the VP candidate because she is a woman and her last name is Clinton.

Obama shouldn't let her anywhere near his cabinet because 1. she is Hillary Clinton and assumes she deserves and awful lot.  2. Bill Clinton is waiting in the wings for her to get a VP or Cabinet nod so he can stick his nose in everything. I can picture Obama having to run Bill out of the Oval office after catching Bill spinning around in Obama's chair (if Obama wins). 
 
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xylene       6/4/2008 6:06:58 PM
It pains me to say this, but if Obama picks Hillary as VP, I'll be voting for McCain
 
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displacedjim       6/4/2008 6:47:04 PM

It pains me to say this, but if Obama picks Hillary as VP, I'll be voting for McCain



...Pssst!...  Xy, I've got three words for you.  Think them over.  The very thought makes me all tingly, and you'll even be making Anuts, Jeff_F_F, etc. happy, too:
 
Democrats for Barr
 
Give it time, mull it over, try it on for size--don't decide right away.  Let yourself grow into it.
 
 
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Bob       6/5/2008 12:23:57 AM
Catholics shop around for certain churches with certain priests who do things a certain way. They look for the ones they can go to and be in and out in half an hour. They avoid the masses that last 45 minutes or more.

America? Turn off your television. The service is going to last for over 150 days.



 
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Jimme       6/5/2008 4:29:37 AM
Obama's only chance to win is if he takes HC as a running mate. Other then that I don't see how he can beat McCain. Sure he'll get the black vote but thats about it and they are after all, a minority of the population. I wouldn't make too much of the whole "youth" movement since we all know how reliable young people are. The Hispanic vote is up for grabs and i think strongly favors McCain. Older Women are pissed at Mr O and could flock to Johny boy out of spite. We know the average blue collar Joe is "bitter" with Barak and unable to relate to a Harvard Grad. The White Collar pro doesn't like it when Obama starts talking about tax hikes. Am i wrong or does it seam like BO has little chance on securing a white house bid.
 
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doggtag       6/5/2008 7:50:16 AM

Obama's only chance to win is if he takes HC as a running mate. Other then that I don't see how he can beat McCain. Sure he'll get the black vote but thats about it and they are after all, a minority of the population. I wouldn't make too much of the whole "youth" movement since we all know how reliable young people are. The Hispanic vote is up for grabs and i think strongly favors McCain. Older Women are pissed at Mr O and could flock to Johny boy out of spite. We know the average blue collar Joe is "bitter" with Barak and unable to relate to a Harvard Grad. The White Collar pro doesn't like it when Obama starts talking about tax hikes. Am i wrong or does it seam like BO has little chance on securing a white house bid.

Partially agree with you,
but again a lot of that is going to depend on who McCain picks as his running mate,
because it's already been suggested that McCain would be amongst the oldest elected POTUS if he wins.
 
...that "Bobby" Jindal (Louisiana governor) seems like an interesting character. He could be what McCain needs to swing more of the minority vote in his direction (read as: a non-white VP).
But then again, Pakistan and a handful of other Middle Eastern countries might not take kindly to having to work with a US VP who comes from Hindu heritage...
 
 
 
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FJV       6/5/2008 8:10:38 AM
From my perspective as an European.

Obama has the benefit that in 1 stroke you can get rid of years and years of racial issues. Constant griping about "the man" not being fair can end with us pointing to an Obama presidency and say "you were "the man" for 4 or 8 years, now quit your whining". So a way to end that never ending debate is a huge plus for Obama. And he is more palatable for foreign nations.

Unfortunately I think that the downsides outweigh this. All democrats seem intent on losing Iraq and Afghanistan. Then there is the weird hate white undertone about him. And there is the health ensurance stuff, which given that the US are a distinctly different people when compared to the rest, does not convice me that what works elswhere will work in the US. And for some reason I don't see him bombing the Iranian nuke program should we have to.



 
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Softwar    Gray Davis?? You have got to be kidding...   6/5/2008 8:44:33 AM

He should stay away from Hillary. She's too ambitious and I guarantee she feels she was "robbed". If she was VP , she would ensure she would become POTUS.

 

He should focus on Bill Richardson, John Edwards, or Gray Davis.


Hillary - naw too much bad blood.  Richardson I could see or maybe Edwards but GRAY DAVIS????
Davis was so disliked that he was kicked out of office in California - kicked out by the voters.  He has more links to nasty stuff than a strep infection.  I have so many documents that link Davis to Enron as to not even be funny.  Davis is certainly not a credible VP candidate by any reach - even yours. 
 
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anuts       6/5/2008 10:05:53 AM


Democrats for Barr


Has a nice ring to it. I encourage all Democrats to waste their vote in this manner.
 
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Zhang Fei       6/5/2008 2:29:00 PM
On the bright side, if Obama wins, he doesn't necessarily have to raise taxes immediately to fund his wish list. He could simply cut the annual defense budget by $400b. We'd still be #1 in terms of defense spending. (This was Blair's strategy in Britain - pay for spending increases by cutting defense). We'd have to mothball the carrier battle groups. But who needs carrier battle groups when you're no longer playing globocop, and defense treaties are just pieces of paper?
 
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Zhang Fei       6/5/2008 2:38:19 PM
Another Democratic strategy appears to be to raise military pay and benefits (without increasing the overall budget) in order to starve headcount and equipment procurement. Maybe the next logical step is the unionization of the military. And maybe the implementation of OSHA rules to military personnel. After all, over 1,000 military personnel die annually from non-combat causes - and this was before Iraq and Afghanistan. It seems to me that night training might be construed as an unnecessary work hazard. Having troops sleep four hours a night definitely affects situational awareness - optimally, military personnel really ought to get eight hours, on ergonomically appropriate mattresses. And how is it not a work hazard to require infantry to carry sixty pounds of kit while conducting missions?
 
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