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Subject: Hillary v. Obama - Getting Nasty
Softwar    3/26/2008 8:39:23 AM
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"Gordon Fischer, the former director of the Iowa Democratic Party and a senior adviser for Sen. Barack Obama's efforts in the Hawkeye State, is still very much involved in making sure Obama gets delegates as the caucus process continues," ABC News correspondent Jake Tapper writes at link .com.

"He's also quite fired up about former President Bill Clinton's comments in front of a North Carolina VFW Hall, which the Obama campaign took to be an impugning of Obama's patriotism," Mr. Tapper said.

"In his blog, Fischer writes: 'B. Clinton questions Obama's patriotism. In response (sic), an Obama aide compared B. Clinton to Joe McCarthy. This is patently unfair. To McCarthy."

" 'Bill Clinton cannot possibly seriously believe Obama is not a patriot, and cannot possibly be said to be helping ? instead he is hurting ? his own party. B. Clinton should never be forgiven. Period. This is a stain on his legacy, much worse, much deeper, than the one on Monica's blue dress.' "
 
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Softwar    "Congenital Liar" v. "Lying Bigot"   3/26/2008 8:55:46 AM
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Sen. Barack Obama's campaign yesterday challenged rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's explanation that she "misspoke" when she said she braved sniper fire during a 1996 Bosnia trip — saying the former first lady has a "troubling" penchant for inflating her foreign-policy credentials.
 
"When you make a false claim that's in your prepared remarks, it's not misspeaking — it's misleading," Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor said.
 
The Obama campaign pointed to other disputed items on Mrs. Clinton's foreign-policy resume, including her claims that as first lady she played a prominent role in brokering peace in Northern Ireland and negotiating with Macedonia to accept Kosovo refugees.
 
The Clinton campaign responded by criticizing Mr. Obama, of Illinois, for repeatedly exaggerating his record in the race for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination.
 
"Senator Obama's campaign is based on words — not a record of deeds — and if those words aren't backed up by facts, there's not much else left," Clinton campaign spokesman Phil Singer said.
 
The list of Mr. Obama's exaggerations included his calling himself a professor of constitutional law when he was a senior lecturer and claiming credit for passing health care legislation as an Illinois state senator when the bill only created a legislative task force.
 
In an interview yesterday with the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Mrs. Clinton briefly revived the flap over racist sermons by Mr. Obama's longtime pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.
 
"He would not have been my pastor," Mrs. Clinton told the newspaper. "You don't choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend."
 
 
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swhitebull       3/26/2008 1:15:53 PM
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PlatypusMaximus       3/26/2008 4:54:17 PM
Lie to get your foot in the door, then lie some more when the jig is up. Is there some other trait of liberalism that I was supposed to be looking for?
 
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displacedjim    A Pox on Both of Them, Er, Their Houses   3/26/2008 7:26:46 PM
Anne Coulter puts another round in the 10-ring!
 
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Hillary: Swiftboated!
Hillary is being "swiftboated"!

She claimed that she came under sniper fire when she visited in Bosnia in 1996, but was contradicted by videotape showing her sauntering off the plane and stopping on the tarmac to listen to a little girl read her a poem.

Similarly, John Kerry's claim to heroism in Vietnam was contradicted by 264 Swift Boat Veterans who served with him. His claim to having been on a secret mission to Cambodia for President Nixon on Christmas 1968 was contradicted not only by all of his commanders -- who said he would have been court-martialed if he had gone anywhere near Cambodia -- but also the simple fact that Nixon wasn't president on Christmas 1968.

In Hillary's defense, she probably deserves a Purple Heart about as much as Kerry did for his service in Vietnam.

Also, unlike Kerry, Hillary acknowledged her error, telling the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review: "I was sleep-deprived, and I misspoke." (What if she's sleep-deprived when she gets that call on the red phone at 3 a.m., imagines a Russian nuclear attack and responds with mutual assured destruction? Oops. "It proves I'm human.")

The reason no one claims Hillary is being "swiftboated" is that the definition of "swiftboating" is: "producing irrefutable evidence that a Democrat is lying." And for purposes of her race against matinee idol B. Hussein Obama, Hillary has become the media's honorary Republican.

In liberal-speak, only a Democrat can be swiftboated. Democrats are "swiftboated"; Republicans are "guilty." So as an honorary Republican, Hillary isn't being swiftboated; she's just lying.

Indeed, instead of attacking the people who produced a video of Hillary's uneventful landing in Bosnia, the mainstream media are the people who discovered that video.

I've always wondered how a Democrat would fare being treated like a Republican by the media. Now we know.

It's such fun watching liberals turn on the Clintons! The bitter infighting among Democrats is especially enjoyable after having to listen to Democrats hyperventilate for months about how delighted they were to have so many wonderful choices for president.

Now liberals just want to be rid of the Clintons -- which is as close to actual mainstream thinking as they've been in years. So the media suddenly notice when Hillary "misspeaks," while rushing to make absurd excuses for much greater outrages by her opponent.

Liberals are even using the Slick Willy defense when Obama is caught fraternizing with a racist loon. When Bill Clinton was exposed as a philandering, adulterous, pathological liar, his defenders said that everybody is a philandering, adulterous, pathological liar.

And now, when B. Hussein Obama is caught in a 20-year relationship with a raving racist, his defenders scream that everybody is a racist wack-job.

In the Obama speech on race that Chris Matthews deemed "worthy of Abraham Lincoln," B. Hussein Obama defended Wright's anti-American statements, saying:

"For the men and women of Rev. Wright's generation, the memories of humiliation and doubt and fear have not gone away; nor has the anger and the bitterness of those years. That anger may not get expressed in public, in front of white co-workers or white friends. But it does find voice in the barbershop or around the kitchen table."

So in the speech the media are telling us is on a par with the Gettysburg Address, B. Hussein Obama casually informed us that even blacks who seem to like white people actually hate our guts.

First of all: Watch out the next time you get your hair cut by a black barber over the age of 50.

Second, Rev. Wright's world wasn't segregated.

And third, what about Wright's wanton anti-Semitism? All the liberals (including essence-besplattered Chris Matthews) have accepted Obama's defense of Wright and want us to understand Wright's "legitimate" rage over his painful youth in segregated America.

But the anti-Semitic tone of Wright's sermons is as clear as his rage against the United States. Rev. Wright calls Israel a "dirty word" and a "racist country." He denounces Zionism and calls for divestment from Israel.

In addition to videos of Rev. Wright's sermons, Obama's church also offers for sale sermons by Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, whom Rev. Wright joined on a visit to Moammar Gadhafi in Libya in 1984. Just last year, Obama's church awarded Farrakhan the Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award, saying Farrakhan "truly epitomized greatness."

What, pray tell, is the legitimate source of Wright's anti-Semitism? I believe Brother Obama passed over that issue entirely in his "conversation," even as he made the obligatory bow to Israel's status as one of our "stalwart allies." Why does crazy "uncle" Wright dislike Jews?

Will liberals contend that these remarks were "taken out of context"? Maybe Wright's church was trying to say that Farrakhan isn't great when it said he "epitomized greatness." Who knows? We weren't there.

Can liberals please educate us on the "legitimate" impulses behind Rev. Wright's Jew-baiting?
 
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timon_phocas       3/26/2008 9:06:02 PM
There's an old saying the Corps that the difference between a fairy tale and a war story is how they begin. A fairy tale starts with, " a long time ago in a kingdom far, far away..." A war story starts with, "back in *** (name the war/battle/mission) this really happened .." It appears Hillary has been telling war stories about her soul searing travail in Bosnia.

Maybe we'll start hearing about her experiences with Lieutenant Kerry. There we was, up the Mekong River in Cambodia, fighting the Cambonese...

 
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Softwar       3/27/2008 8:44:39 AM
28 percent of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's supporters said they would vote for Mr. McCain if Sen. Barack Obama wins the nomination.
19 percent of Mr. Obama's voters said they would vote for Mr. McCain if Mrs. Clinton wins the nomination.

Source: Gallup Poll of 6,657 Democratic voters via telephone from March 7 to 22

22 percent of Democratic voters said Mrs. Clinton should drop out of the race.
22 percent of Democratic voters said Mr. Obama should drop out of the race.

Source: Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of 800 likely voters conducted March 24 and 25
 
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Softwar    Judas, Lies and Kingmakers Remind their servant who's the boss...   3/28/2008 9:47:39 AM
Hillary Rodham Clinton adviser James Carville is refusing to apologize for comparing New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson to Judas.
 
Carville made the comparison to The New York Times after Richardson, once a member of President Clinton's Cabinet, endorsed Hillary Clinton rival Barack Obama last week for the Democratic presidential nomination. Carville called it an "act of betrayal," and pointed out that it came during Holy Week.
 
"Mr. Richardson's endorsement came right around the anniversary of the day when Judas sold out (Jesus) for 30 pieces of silver, so I think the timing is appropriate, if ironic," he said.
 
Richardson told "Fox News Sunday" that he wouldn't respond by getting "in the gutter like that."
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That's typical of many of the people around Senator Clinton," Richardson said. "They think they have a sense of entitlement to the presidency."
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"It's crazy for Hillary to say she played a role in bringing peace to Northern Ireland. ... She seems to be confusing her record with her husband's," said Robin Wilson, founder of a Northern Ireland think tank, Democratic Dialogue.
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A group of prominent Hillary Clinton donors sent a letter to House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Wednesday asking her to retract her comments on superdelegates and stay out of the Democratic fight over their role in the presidential race.
 
The 20 prominent Clinton supporters told Pelosi she should "clarify" recent statements to make it clear superdelegates -- nearly 800 party insiders and elected officials who are free to back any candidate -- could support the candidate they think would be the best nominee.
 
"This is an untenable position that runs counter to the party's intent in establishing superdelegates in 1984," the letter from the wealthy Clinton backers said.
 
"Superdelegates, like all delegates, have an obligation to make an informed, individual decision about whom to support and who would be the party's strongest nominee," said the letter signed by some of Clinton's biggest fund raisers.
 
Among the signees of the letter were prominent Democrats and Clinton supporters like Robert Johnson, founder of Black Entertainment Television; Bernard Schwartz, former chairman of Loral Space and Communications; and venture capitalist Steven Rattner.
 
The signees reminded the House leader from California of their support for the party's House campaign committee and said "therefore" she should "reflect in your comments a more open view" about superdelegates.
 
"We appreciate your activities in support of the Democratic Party and your leadership role in the party and hope you will be responsive to some of your major enthusiastic supporters," the letter said.
 
 
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timon_phocas    A snippet from Peggy Noonan   3/28/2008 1:52:19 PM

Saw this on the Opinion Journal this morning, it's hilarious, thought you all would like it

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What struck me as the best commentary on the Bosnia story came from a poster called GI Joe who wrote in to a news blog: "Actually Mrs. Clinton was too modest. I was there and saw it all. When Mrs. Clinton got off the plane the tarmac came under mortar and machine gun fire. I was blown off my tank and exposed to enemy fire. Mrs. Clinton without regard to her own safety dragged me to safety, jumped on the tank and opened fire, killing 50 of the enemy." Soon a suicide bomber appeared, but Mrs. Clinton stopped the guards from opening fire. "She talked to the man in his own language and got him [to] surrender. She found that he had suffered terribly as a result of policies of George Bush. She defused the bomb vest herself." Then she turned to his wounds. "She stopped my bleeding and saved my life. Chelsea donated the blood."

Made me laugh. It was like the voice of the people answering back. This guy knows that what Mrs. Clinton said is sort of crazy. He seems to know her reputation for untruths. He seemed to be saying, "I get it."
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PlatypusMaximus       3/28/2008 4:04:15 PM


I heard the pilot of that flight, USAF (Ret.) Colonel William "goose" Changose saying that there was no corkscrew, no person in all his years has ever been asked to sit on a flak jacket in any plane under his command....ever...That the place was so secure that not even bumblebees were flying, let alone bullets...that if anybody knew of snipers, etc. the plane would have never landed..or the first lady would have never been allowed off the plane. He was very matter of fact and made it clear that he remembers being there and that he is confident in his recollection.
 
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Softwar    Clinton Meltdown   4/2/2008 2:39:46 PM

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Bill Clinton's tirade stunned some delegates
Phillip Matier,Andrew Ross
Wednesday, April 2, 2008

Matier & Ross Archive
 
The Bill Clinton who met privately with California's superdelegates at last weekend's state convention was a far cry from the congenial former president who afterward publicly urged fellow Democrats to "chill out" over the race between his wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and Barack Obama.
 
In fact, before his speech Clinton had one of his famous meltdowns Sunday, blasting away at former presidential contender Bill Richardson for having endorsed Obama, the media and the entire nomination process.
 
"It was one of the worst political meetings I have ever attended," one superdelegate said.
 
According to those at the meeting, Clinton - who flew in from Chicago with bags under his eyes - was classic old Bill at first, charming and making small talk with the 15 or so delegates who gathered in a room behind the convention stage.
 
But as the group moved together for the perfunctory photo, Rachel Binah, a former Richardson delegate who now supports Hillary Clinton, told Bill how "sorry" she was to have heard former Clinton campaign manager James Carville call Richardson a "Judas" for backing Obama.
 
It was as if someone pulled the pin from a grenade.
 
"Five times to my face (Richardson) said that he would never do that," a red-faced, finger-pointing Clinton erupted.
 
The former president then went on a tirade that ran from the media's unfair treatment of Hillary to questions about the fairness of the votes in state caucuses that voted for Obama. It ended with him asking delegates to imagine what the reaction would be if Obama was trailing by just 1 percent and people were telling him to drop out.
 
"It was very, very intense," said one attendee. "Not at all like the Bill of earlier campaigns."
 
When he finally wound down, Bill was asked what message he wanted the delegates to take away from the meeting.
At that point, a much calmer Clinton outlined his message of party unity.
 
"It was kind of strange later when he took the stage and told everyone to 'chill out,' " one delegate told us.
 
"We couldn't help but think he was also talking to himself."
 
When delegate Binah - still stunned from her encounter with Clinton - got home to Little River (Mendocino County) later in the day - there was a phone message waiting for her from State Party Chairman Art Torres, telling her the former president wanted him to apologize to her on his behalf for what happened.
 
Still, word of Clinton's blast shot all the way back to the New Mexico state Capitol, where Richardson spokesman Pahl Shipley reiterated Tuesday that his boss had never "promised or guaranteed" Bill and Hillary his endorsement.

 
 
 
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swhitebull    A Bugs Life - The Ant and the Grasshopper   4/8/2008 3:49:09 PM
Shamelessly stolen from comments on The Politico:
 
 
Modern Day Ant and Grasshopper
 
 There are two Versions - 
 
TRADITIONAL VERSION : The conservative ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building its house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper (liberals) thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed.
 
The grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold.
 
 MORAL OF THE STORY: Be responsible for yourself!
 
 
MODERN VERSION Obama or Clinton Version
 
The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building its house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be warm and well fed while others are cold and starving.
 
CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, and ABC show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food. America is stunned by the sharp contrast. How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?
 
Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper, and everybody cries when they sing, 'It's Not Easy Being Green.' Jesse Jackson stages a demonstration in front of the ant's house where the news stations film the group singing, 'We shall overcome. Jesse then has the group kneel down to pray to God for the grasshopper's sake. Nancy Pelosi, Obama, Clinton, John Kerry & Harry Reid exclaim in an interview with Larry King that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share. Finally, the EEOC drafts the Economic Equity and Anti-Grasshopper Act retroactive to the beginning of the summer!
 
The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to pay its retroactive taxes, its home is confiscated by the government using as the basis of the confiscation the Kelo decision to declare the area blighted, paving the for high-priced condos, that will increase the tax-base of the area.
 
Hillary Clinton gets her old law firm to represent the grasshopper in a defamation suit against the ant, and the case is tried before a panel of federal judges that Bill Clinton appointed from a list of single-parent welfare recipients - Obama agrees with Hillary. The ant loses the case.
 
The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the ant's food while the government house he is in, which just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around him because he doesn't maintain it. The ant has disappeared in the snow. The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident and the house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the once peaceful neighborhood. MORAL OF THE STORY: Be very careful how you vote in 2008
 
 
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Softwar    Elitist v. Annie Oakley   4/14/2008 8:36:16 AM
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Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, at a televised forum on faith and politics last night, said Sen. Barack Obama's remark about "bitter" small-town voters clinging to religion and guns raised legitimate concerns about his character and that it was an appropriate campaign issue.
 
"The Democratic Party, to be very blunt about it, has been viewed as a party that didn't understand and respect the values and the way of life of so many of our fellow Americans," said Mrs. Clinton, who called Mr. Obama's remarks at a private San Francisco fundraiser "elitist and out of touch."
 
At an earlier campaign stop in Steelton, Pa., Mr. Obama rebuked Mrs. Clinton, saying, "shame on her," because she knows he is a man of faith and that she is feigning newfound allegiance with gun owners.
 
"She is running around talking about how this is an insult to sportsmen, how she values the Second Amendment. She's talking like she's Annie Oakley," Mr. Obama said, referring to the legendary markswoman.
 
Mrs. Clinton, who represents New York, said the remark still smacked of elitism.
 
"Someone goes to a closed-door fundraiser in San Francisco and makes comments that do seem elitist, out of touch and, frankly, patronizing," she said on the "Compassion Forum" broadcast on CNN. "That has nothing to do with him being a good man or a man of faith."

 
 
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YelliChink       4/14/2008 11:49:38 AM
Aren't both of them fervent anti-gun by their voting records? How could they woo votes from those who place gun-rights on their top three lists?
 
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Jeff_F_F       4/26/2008 4:31:17 AM
I'm not always a fan of Republicans, but having been attending Illinois Institude of Technology which is right in the middle of the South Chicago ghetto when the Republicans were reforming welfare while the Democrats whined about compassion--and I got to see every day what 40 years of Democrat compassion had done to the people who lived in South Chicago--I hate Democrats. And I love this campaign!
 
I just laugh.
and laugh.
and laugh!
 
It is beautiful. All of their options are so bad. They select Obama, 28 percent of Clinton supporters defect to McCain and McCain wins. They select Clinton over the wishes of the people of their party and alienate voters--especially the risk of alienating a sizable portion of the African American community. Bad bad options.
 
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PlatypusMaximus       4/26/2008 8:46:12 AM
What disgusts me most is not really GD America, or Kill whitey, or terrorist friends, or nuke Iran, or hookers, etc...It's the absolute hypocrisy of the Democrat party of partisanship....Hitler could be the nominee right now, and they'd back him with utmost zeal on the basis of free speech, strenght, and change.
 
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