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Subject: In Counterinsurgency Class, Soldiers Think Like Taliban
TXAggie93    12/1/2007 6:33:37 PM
Good article. In Counterinsurgency Class, Soldiers Think Like Taliban By MICHAEL M. PHILLIPS KABUL, Afghanistan -- A natural-born insurgent, Sgt. First Class Jacob Stockdill was brimming with malicious suggestions when a group of American soldiers and Afghan security men sat down last month to plot their own defeat. [Jacob Stockdill] "I can put a guy out on a ridge with an AK-47 and have him take a couple of shots," Sgt. Stockdill proposed to fellow students at the Army's new Afghanistan Counterinsurgency Academy. "The Americans will shoot back with their big guns and disrupt the whole valley.... Being an insurgent would be so easy." Capt. Chris Rowe finished his thought: "All you have to do is not screw up, and, even if you do, you just blame it on the Americans." Six years into the Afghan war, the Army has decided its troops on the ground still don't understand well enough how to battle the Taliban insurgency. So since the spring, groups of 60 people have been attending intensive, five-day sessions in plywood classrooms in the corner of a U.S. base here, where they learn to think like a Taliban and counterpunch like a politician. The academy's principal message: The war that began to oust a regime has evolved into a popularity contest where insurgents and counterinsurgents vie for public support and the right to rule. The implicit critique: Many U.S. and allied soldiers still arrive in the country well-trained to kill, but not to persuade. In April, the Army gave a 26-year-old Rhodes scholar, Capt. Dan Helmer, six weeks to get the school up and running. Capt. Helmer tells his students, who rank as high as colonel, that the important battles here are 80% political and just 20% military. He exhorts them to go to great lengths to understand local politics, culture and history, to make sure actions they take on the battlefield help convince Afghans that the Kabul government will serve and protect them. "We're trying to win an argument that supporting the government is worth risking your life for," he says. It's an argument, he says, that the U.S.-led coalition isn't yet winning. "Today we control no more and no less of Afghanistan than the Soviets did," during their 10-year occupation that began in 1979. 'Uneven Understanding' Lt. Col. John Nagl, co-author of the Army's counterinsurgency doctrine, says he was struck during a visit to troops in Afghanistan earlier this year by their "uneven understanding of counterinsurgency principles" at work in the Afghan campaign. Col. Nagl commands a battalion at Fort Riley, Kan., dedicated to training American troops to become mentors to Iraqi and Afghan forces. When he returned from his trip, he urged commanders to set up the counterinsurgency school and to put Capt. Helmer in charge. [Dan Helmer] Capt. Helmer, a West Point graduate from Mantua, N.J., originally deployed to Afghanistan as a mentor for the Afghan National Police. At Oxford, he was author of a study on Israel's fight against Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon, where an army with overwhelming conventional superiority found itself mired against insurgents who had the vital support of the locals. Fast-talking, with deep-set eyes, a sunburned neck and a moustache that he grew out of respect for Afghanistan's hairiness-is-next-to-manliness culture, he says he thought from the start that Army training didn't prepare troops well for the intricacies of fighting the Afghan insurgency. Army officials say they've made great strides this year providing troops with Afghanistan-specific training before they reach the combat zone -- including counterinsurgency seminars for officers and scenario exercises for foot soldiers. But the Army acknowledges that some troops fall through the cracks. "There isn't enough time between being told that they're going and getting them through the training," says Lou Gelling, deputy commander of the Army's battle command training program. "That's the reality of it." The counterinsurgency training sometimes seems targeted more toward Iraq, according to Capt. Helmer and Col. Nagl. Of the 90 men under Col. Nagl's command, almost all are Iraq veterans and just one has served in Afghanistan. Even Capt. Helmer's orders to Afghanistan included the mistaken, but telling, instruction to take a course in Arabic -- a language spoken in Iraq, but not in Afghanistan. In Iraq, the U.S. has set up separate counterinsurgency academies for Iraqi and coalition students. In Afghanistan, Capt. Helmer insisted on putting troops from the 37-nation coalition into the classroom with their counterparts from the Afghan army, police and spy service. One of the school's central tenets is that foreign forces cannot win the war. Afghan security forces and government officials must take the lead in any activity, whether it's an attack on Taliban redoubts or reconstruction of a mosque, in order to increase popular support for President Hamid Karzai's government. "Afghans
 
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sentinel28a       12/1/2007 7:30:37 PM
That is a good article.  Strange how so many of those lessons harken back to Vietnam--we're still learning them.
 
 
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WarNerd       12/4/2007 12:44:50 PM


Another example: As a goodwill gesture in September, coalition soldiers in Khost Province handed out soccer balls decorated with the flags of the world. One of them, the Saudi flag, bears a verse from the Koran. Rumors spread widely that the coalition was, in essence, encouraging Afghan children to put their holy book on the ground and kick it.

I think this is the 3rd time I have heard of this mistake.  The first time was in 2000 when Coke printed the flags of all nations on their cans for the Olympics.
 
When are we going to learn?
 
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sentinel28a       12/4/2007 8:14:59 PM
When are Muslims going to get a life?
 
There was an American flag on that soccer ball too.  Does that mean they're kicking us around?  We should behead somebody.  And the next SOB that names a teddy bear Teddy is insulting one of our greatest Presidents! Bully! We should kill somebody for that, too.
 
Good heavens.  If it didn't lead to people being killed, the rest of the world would laugh at fundie Muslims for being so utterly ridiculous.  Voltaire would've had a field day and a fatwa with these people.
 
 
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jastayme3       6/26/2008 3:59:15 PM

If the idea is to get people to think like insurgents, why not have them read what real insurgents have 
written? There are plenty of people around whose fathers and grandfathers were resistance during the
War. Plus there are books like, Seven Pillers of Wisdom. For a little closer to home, there are CIA agents
who were in Afghanistan during the Russian invasion.
I have suggested this before, but it is not that bad an idea. Poacher turned gamekeeper does have something to
recommend it.
 
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FJV       6/27/2008 12:41:39 PM
You'ld have to be illiterate to think like the majority of the insurgents.
 
 
 

 
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WarNerd       6/28/2008 12:21:23 PM
They should also run the people from the State Department though this when they arrive
 
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jastayme3       7/3/2008 2:27:12 PM

You'ld have to be illiterate to think like the majority of the insurgents.


 

 

 



Why?
 To know how it feels to have the State as an enemy? There are plenty of acounts.
 To know what it is like to grow up in an honor culture in which revenge is felt as a duty and the Family is the State? Read Homer, Shakespeare, Forty-seven Ronin, or Njals Saga . Or just watch The Godfather. Or for a more current one read
The Steel Bonnets by George Macdonald Fraser.
Oh yes and most of the people in the above were illiterate.
As come to think of it are most of the people in acounts like Seven Pillers.
 To know what a religious motivation feels like? Ask a religious person.
 To know what it is like to live in a Middle-Eastern, or Afghan culture? Again there are plenty of acounts.
 As for illiteracy, if illiteracy was a barrier to understanding, history would be a vain enterprice as a good number of historical people were illiterate.
 
Your contemptuous bravado is all very well. But it is not going to catch many insurgents. Understanding is a weapon. When
you play chess you study your opponents style. When you play football you want his playbook. And so on. Why do you seem to be annoyed at the idea that one should study one's opponent? I say we should learn how Talibani think, not because of my sympathy toward them but because I desire that they be defeated.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
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jastayme3       7/3/2008 2:41:56 PM

 Actually it is a shame on us that this is thought so odd. Victorians could do this automatically. They 
learned about this sort of thing from their Kipling and their Henty-which romanticized it but not so far as to
make it feel totally alien. When they got there there were soldiers, bureaucrats and IPS agents who had devoted 
their lifes to understanding the natives both as enemies and as allies. For all the accuseation of bigotry they could empathize
with their foes.
What does this say about us? You are making a claim that are enemies are so alien to us that even trying to understand them is
shameful. Why?  Does that attitude make us more successful in war? 
 
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