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Subject: Bible thumpers open Creation Museum
Herc the Merc    5/29/2007 3:11:11 PM
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070529/ap_on_re_us/creation_museum_opening Ky. Creation Museum opens to thousands Tue May 29, 9:54 AM ET PETERSBURG, Ky. - A museum that tells the Bible's version of Earth's history — that the planet was created in a single week just a few thousand years ago — attracted thousands to its opening as protesters rallied outside. ADVERTISEMENT The dozens of demonstrators argued Monday that the Creation Museum's central tenets conflict with scientific evidence that the Earth is several billion years old. Overhead, an airplane pulled a banner with the message: "Thou Shalt Not Lie." The privately funded museum had more than 4,000 guests on opening day, said Mark Looy, a co-founder of the $27 million facility 20 miles southwest of Cincinnati. The parking lot was filled with license plates from dozens of states. "The guests were very happy with the museum experience," Looy said. "Of course, we had some naysayers come through and engage us in conversation, and that's fine — we want them." Lawrence Krauss, an author and physicist at Cleveland's Case Western Reserve University, decided to view the museum firsthand. "It's really impressive — and it really gives the impression that they're talking about science at some point," Krauss said. On a scale of 1 to 5, with 5 being best, "I'd give it a 4 for technology, 5 for propaganda. As for content, I'd give it a negative 5." The museum features high-tech exhibits designed by a theme-park artist, including animatronic dinosaurs and a wooden ark at least two stories tall, plus a special effects theater and planetarium. Some exhibits show dinosaurs aboard Noah's Ark and assert that all animals were vegetarians until Adam committed the first sin in the Garden of Eden. _________________________________ Why didn't I think of that ez money from religious zealots. I think a Bible study franchise like fast food chains would be a gold mine.
 
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AdvanceAustralia    DNA   6/1/2007 2:47:58 PM




I've never seen anything biblical suggesting dinosaurs were on the ark, although I have heard some "biblical scholars" surmise they were excluded from the ark and thats how they were destroyed...



 





and he miniaturized the animals--Bonsai Ark.
No need for the full sized versions. Be realistic. An Ark only a few hundred feet in length cannot support 2 or 7 of every animal with feed, water and waste dispersal for several weeks. The only way to preserve so many species is by the storage of DNA.

Of course, mainstream archaeology will tell you that Noah didn't have DNA technology.

Of course, mainstream archaeology doesn't have a clue what knowledge existed before the flood.

Cheers.

 
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SGTObvious       6/1/2007 5:03:11 PM
"Here's the question -  what if the dinosaurs were considerd part of the SACRED animals? (Not likely, not kosher) but imagine the space requirements!!"

Switebull, I just have to know:  what makes them not kosher?   Are reptiles kosher?  If not, isn't that irrelevant if Dinosaurs are biologically closer to birds?
 
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xylene       6/1/2007 7:55:07 PM
Maybe dinosaurs did not need to go on the ark. After all they speculate they were reptiles. It's not as if Noah collected fish and whales.
 
I've always hypothesized there is a gap of time between chapter 1 verse one of Genesis and verse two.  After-all the stories of Satan's fall in book of Isaiah had to have happened before creation of Adam and Eve.
 
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doggtag       6/1/2007 9:26:13 PM


I've always hypothesized there is a gap of time between chapter 1 verse one of Genesis and verse two.  After-all the stories of Satan's fall in book of Isaiah had to have happened before creation of Adam and Eve.

All ranting aside,
I've wondered that one myself.
 
If his fall happened prior to the Transgression (theft/eating of the forbidden fruit),
did God not know Lucifer/Satan was loose in the Garden, with the sole intention of manipulating the obviously innocent Eve into tricking Adam to transgress upon God?
 
If he was cast down post-Transgression, was this one of the reasons for his outcasting, in addition to the whole tried-to-take-over-Heaven-and-convinced-a-third-of-the-angels-to-do-it-with-him issue?
 
(And also, if God was/is the supposed See All, Know All, Alpha and Omega, didn't He see it coming?)
 
In all seriousness, I'd go to this museum just to see how much they're actually willing to try and prove to us,
and how much of it they're still going to hide behind the "because God's Word says it's so" to explain it.
 
 
 
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xylene       6/1/2007 11:44:49 PM
There are some things in the old testament that I don't understand why. For instance I believe God knew what Satan would do and knew what Adam and Eve would do. I don't know why he allowed it to proceed even though he knew what would happen. Another example is in Genesis when Moses is asking Pharaoh to release the Isrealis. The Bible says God hardened Pharoah's heart whereby Pharoah refused to let the Isrealis go.
 
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Jimme       6/2/2007 12:55:42 AM

Some of these replies are so defensive. People pointing out that there is no scientific evidence for a flood, or asking how you get dinosaurs on a boat. It is an entertaining story, and creationists are certainly an odd bunch, but why do some of you people have to go two steps further and talk about scientific evidence for floods and how there is not enough room for even 1 tryannosaurus rex on a baot. The fact that people have to even reassure themselves that it cannot happen by siting scientific facts is pretty sad. It would be like me asking "Well, after all, there is no scientific evidence that Minerva came out of Jupiters head". It goes without saying. Most Christians, even in the United States (I can tell you, that the VAST majority, contrary to what the polls say, are not creationists in the US), believe in God, and Jesus Christ, and that God worked through evolution. The belief that God created the world through evolution is called Intelligent Design. A very different theory from creationism.

UH i was just pointing out that trying to figure out a boat seating chart is moot when the very flood itself never even happened. Who is being defensive? The very next paragraph states that i realy couldn't give a rats ass.

It seems to me that you are the one thats being "defensive". I don't have to reassure myself of anything, logic is on my side.

 
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jjfs2       6/2/2007 1:01:06 AM












There was a time I did believe it was all about saving people's souls.

But I woke up eventually and realized they're all salesmen,

trying to convince you to buy their "product" which you may or may not even need,

and in the proccess marking up "their product" for as high a price as they can convince people it's worth paying for.

 

I'd almost go to this museum, just to see how ignorant people can be, willing to believe superstition and incorrect interpretation rather than embrace solid geologic facts.

 


Creationists typically know far more about evolution than evo
(would a god of truth intentionally fabricate an entire Cosmos with the sole intention of deceiving its inhabitants from having faith in the physical laws which govern it?)

 


 1} So exactly where in the Bible did GOD give a date for making the Earth? It say's he took 6 days and rested on the 7th!.

 
The "dates" you speak of, ie, the earth is 6000 years old, are based on the genealogy from Adam to Jesus. The length of time Adam's creation to Jesus' birth is about 4004 years.
 

 2} So exactly where in the Bible did GOD give a actual date for Adam or Eve? I will be damned if i can find one!. However if you preceed the Bible, and read the Book of Enoch, it say's a race from space made man what we are!.

 see above.

 3} So even if we came from Angels from the Heavens "Who made the Heaven's to start with and why"? Well my guess would still be "The Creator or better known as GOD"
 

 4} So tell me doggtag isn't every day just a game? So what, we are not all pawns in the game, like it or not?. I will use Star Trek for this one "The higher the organism, the greater the need for the simplicity of play!". So why would a GOD be any different?

 Huh?

 5} So even if we are all really "Children of GOD" or not, what makes the difference? The real life we lead!. So i will continue to understand the real Jesus, and live mine by his real example!. Thats what makes him a better man to place my faith in then Islam!. "It is all in how you wish to play the game!". And btw,i attend no man's church!.

 Apparently the "real" Jesus is one whom you have created to fit your lifestyle. That's rather intellectually disingenuous, if nothing else.

                                                                         


 
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jjfs2       6/2/2007 1:04:25 AM



Some exhibits show dinosaurs aboard Noah's Ark and assert that all animals were vegetarians until Adam committed the first sin in the Garden of Eden.
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Whoa! Now that one's a classic!
There were absolutely no predatory creatures on the Earth until a human sinned against God?

 

What will they think of next?

 

 

There was a time when religion predominantly ruled the world,

It wasn't for naught it was called the Dark Ages,

and it was the Renaissance, a flooding of new ideas and enlightenment, that the Church (religion in general) couldn't control that finally freed most of us from the oppression of highly superstitious belief systems.

 

And yet Kentucky decides to take a step backward and allow this?

At what point exactly should Freedom of Religion be infringed upon,  or should we continue to allow allow imperical evidence to be quashed by superstition, myths and legends, and personal beliefs?

 

My question is:

in all fairness,

how would Kentuckians (or any other state) react if, say, some Islamic group decided to build a refusing-to-accept-the-Holocaust historical center that obviously (even if not outright) bashes the Jews and their beliefs (and a number of other heathen infidels throughout the ages) ?

 

Or would one of the Bible Belt states grant approval for a Scientology museum in their towns?

 

 

Being built on private land, with private money, is one thing.

But should taxpayers be burdened to assist funding, in the name of history and the arts, one set of beliefs over another?

 

Perhaps to be equal to all, we encourage other religious groups to open museums and centers harboring to their belief systems (even offer grants, on the grounds it's upholding cultural heritage or whatever), and see just how long it takes another religious group to protest...

 

I'd wager fairly that these creationist times would be among the first protestors raising a fit over it.


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Why didn't I think of that ez money from religious zealots. I think a Bible study franchise like fast food chains would be a gold mine.

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Welcome to the wonderful world of televangelism prosperity preaching, and a number of people have already made no small fortune at it.

And being able to hide behind religion, you'd be amazed how many taxes you can scam out of.

 

There was a time I did believe it was all about saving people's souls.

But I woke up eventually and realized they're all salesmen,

trying to convince you to buy their "product" which you may or may not even need,

and in the proccess marking up "their product" for as high a price as they can convince people it's worth paying for.

 

I'd almost go to this museum, just to see how ignorant people can be, willing to believe superstition and incorrect interpretation rather than embrace solid geologic facts.

(would a god of truth intentionally fabricate an entire Cosmos with the sole intention of deceiving its inhabitants from having faith in the physical laws which govern it?)


This museum is built on private land with private funds, lol. It's unbelievable to me that creationism can be compared to nazism and islamism without batting an eye. Are you seriously suggesting that people who do not believe in evolution are a danger to those around them? 
 
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jjfs2       6/2/2007 1:13:17 AM

The heaviest dinosaur is the Argentinosaurus. They can weigh upto 100 tons (220,000lbs) , and I think they needed 2 of each species in the ark. Coming in at 2nd place is Seisomosaurus with a cool 91 tons (200,000lbs).



No where in the bible does it say that any of the creatures aboard the ark were adults. There would be many logical reasons to assume juveniles were taken instead. They eat less, take up less space, are more easily manageable, will live longer than creatures which are already grown, and therefore can more adequately serve to replenish the earth.
 
The bible states that the animals DID NOT eat meat prior to the flood. Genesis 1:30 states "And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so."
 
It was only after the flood that humans and animals began to consume one another for food Genesis 9:3  "Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things."
 
 
 
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Jimme       6/2/2007 2:04:12 AM




The heaviest dinosaur is the Argentinosaurus. They can weigh upto 100 tons (220,000lbs) , and I think they needed 2 of each species in the ark. Coming in at 2nd place is Seisomosaurus with a cool 91 tons (200,000lbs).





No where in the bible does it say that any of the creatures aboard the ark were adults. There would be many logical reasons to assume juveniles were taken instead. They eat less, take up less space, are more easily manageable, will live longer than creatures which are already grown, and therefore can more adequately serve to replenish the earth.

 

The bible states that the animals DID NOT eat meat prior to the flood. Genesis 1:30 states "And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so."

 

It was only after the flood that humans and animals began to consume one another for food Genesis 9:3  "Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things."
 

 


There is realy no reason to try to take things literal and prove case in point. The Bible itself is totally illogical and taken literally doesn't make sense. People who take the bible literally IMO need help because Disney cartoons are more realistic then most of the stories in the bible.

 
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