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chemist RE:Do Quebec have right of secession? 7/5/2004 10:26:30 AM

Ilpars, Some states in the Union have the right to seceed while most don't. Texas comes to mind. There's actually some arguement amoungst hard core federalist types that Lincoln violated the constitution when he ordered the Civil War fought. Then there are territories like Guam and Peurto Rico that can vote themselves full sovreignity and to end ties to the US. So yeah, people can leave to some degree when they wish to.

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Roman Economic Consequences? 7/5/2004 6:59:58 PM

Ehran - we (Slovaks) too were told that if Czechoslovakia breaks up, Slovaks who were allegedly being subsidized will suffer economically. Guess what? After the Czech Republic and Slovakia separated we had an economic boom with growth of 5%-6% per year - much higher than before. And bear in mind that we were smaller than Quebec in land area, in population and in the size and sophistication of the economy and we had to begin from scratch to build up our institutions even while transforming the economy away from socialism, while Quebec already has many of them in place in the form of provincial institutions and it does not need to transform its economy. I very much doubt that Quebec would suffer grave economic consequences if it became indebendent. That said, is the secession legal under Canadian law?

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chemist RE:Economic Consequences?--Roman 7/6/2004 7:27:07 AM

Yes, they've held a refferendum on the subject(secession) at least once already(it was defeated). It was< I believe, in '98.

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Ehran RE:Quebec secession 7/7/2004 12:44:57 AM

All you have to do is cure Quebec of it's frenchness and you're home free. Think of it like deprogramming a cult member there are some nice things about frenchness we kinda like and would miss. mind you television is doing wonders at unifying the cultures.

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Ehran RE:Do Quebec have right of secession? 7/7/2004 12:50:01 AM

Please forgive my lack of knowledge. But do Quebec have a legal right of secession? cannot imagine why you would know this but legally quebec has no right to separate from canada. mind you if they ever manage to get the referendum to come out the way the separatists want i expect the federal gov't would discuss it. i also imagine that shortly after the discussions begin and the quebec people find out what separating would cost they would be pretty quick to give up the idea. right now they hold the balance of power in the canadian government and get treated rather well by the feds. this would change rather quickly if they were actually leaving. it's likely they would loose the northern 2/3 of the province as the natives there are unified in their horror of being citizens of an independant quebec. it would be an ugly horrible mess and that's if things went well.

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Ehran RE:Economic Consequences? 7/7/2004 12:55:40 AM

roman there would be a great deal of ill will on the part of the rest of canada. this would have to translate into economic terms. for instance i can see quebec not being part of nafta or the autopact and the consequences of that are profound. no more fat federal contracts for quebec companies would hurt also. also do not underestimate just how irked the ROC would be. i for instance would think long and hard before buying anything made in quebec if there was any other available option. i saw an interview during the runup to the last referendum of a quebec furniture maker. in it he said he loved quebec but if quebec separated he would close his montreal plant and move it's 150 jobs to ontario. he was absolutely certain he couldn't survive on the quebec market alone and equally certain his ROC sales would plummet to virtually nothing.

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gf0012-aust RE:Economic Consequences? 10/28/2004 1:57:29 AM

Just out of curiosity, is there a significant portion of Quebec under native control? In real terms what can Quebec do to maintain an industry base of any credibility?

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Ehran RE:Economic Consequences? 10/28/2004 12:53:42 PM

most of northern quebec is excruciatingly thinly populated. various native bands have large land claims yet to be resolved. if quebec was to attempt to leave canada i wouldn't be surprised if the natives in the north petitioned to stay in canada which complicates them leaving no end as they bicker over the "sanctity" of the existing borders. as for an economic base i rather doubt what they have would survive for long. the ill feeling in the rest of canada would mean anything made in quebec would be a very tough sell elsewhere in canada. i can also see the gov't of canada working to deny quebec participation in any of the economic deals we are part of.

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gf0012-aust RE:Economic Consequences? 10/28/2004 10:38:07 PM

I hadn't realised that the Quebec issue was at such a divisive level. I'd always thought that the rest of Canada was just humouring Quebecoise(??) That would seem to make the whole notion of a separate country just a tad on the nul and unlikely side.

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swami RE:Ehran 11/1/2004 9:31:29 PM

"i get cranky about running into so many americans who assume we are slavering for the chance to join the excited states." I actually did not know that so many Americans believed that. I thought that most Americans thought that Canadians do not like us. I am not so sure that the Canadians are as opposed to the idea as you claim. I have many Canadian friends, many of them quite nationalistic. One day, mainly as a joke, I asked them if Quebec succeeded, would you want to join the US. Of course, they all said "No" immediately and defiantly. Then I asked them "But what if you could keep your hockey team and your health insurance system?" Then they were not so sure. Of course, it was mainly meant as a joke, but if Quebec succeeds, Canadians are going to have to a great deal of thinking about their national identity. With European nations merging into the EU, it is not so crazy as you think.

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