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Subject: Quebec secession
blacksmith    7/1/2004 12:50:19 AM
The BQ party scored highly in the recent election. The secessionists now holding more seats than they had in '95 during the last secession vote. The last secession vote failed by a hair. Is Quebec going to make the fatal plunge now and get the 50% + 1 vote? Will it happen before the rest of Canada kicks their bagettes out just to be rid of them? I read that the aboriginals in Quebec don't feel strongly about their 'French heritage'. If Quebec secedes, does it get split up itself along French, non-french lines?
 
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displacedjim    RE:Quebec secession   7/1/2004 11:45:30 AM
And if it does, how long before one half and/or the other of the rest of Canada figures they might as well just tap into the benefits of becoming American states? Aside from that, where would Canada's capital move to? Dispacedjim
 
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doggtag    RE:Quebec secession   7/1/2004 12:06:55 PM
Seriously, aside from some favorable major cities, are there any real strategic benefits Quebec offers that the other provinces cannot effectively cover themselves? Realizing Quebec would pretty much be like some of the inner African nations, or like maybe Luxembourg: Sure, they have their attractions to offer, but their presence is really little more than a piece of land no one else wants that takes up space in the middle of everything....
 
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StymiestxBlitz    Quebec secession   7/1/2004 10:47:17 PM
the BQ is no longer a secessionist party no they are now using there political power to get what they want for Quebec in the house. It is merely a voice for the french minority in Canada.
 
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blacksmith    RE:Quebec secession   7/1/2004 11:16:25 PM
Which begs the question, at what point does the rest of Canada say enough and boot them out? Democracies only function when the citizenry on the whole understand that there has to be give and take. I have not seen that the French are willing to give anything. They just take.
 
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Ehran    RE:Quebec secession   7/1/2004 11:37:25 PM
Ottawa is in ontario so it wouldn't have to move. believe it or not there is very little interest in becoming american states.
 
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Ehran    RE:Quebec secession   7/1/2004 11:41:59 PM
If quebec finds out the actual costs of leaving canada they will post haste drop the idea. about 2/3 of quebec was granted to the province after it joined confederation and is inhabited by indians who have zero desire to be citizens of the republic of quebec. the economic consequences would be pretty ugly as well. the line joe citizen has been fed is that they will do nothing but gain from independance and still they cannot summon up a simple majority. Once actual negotiations begin and the costs start to leak out i would expect the populace to recant their decision in very short order.
 
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displacedjim    RE:Quebec secession   7/1/2004 11:46:48 PM
D'OH! Blast, and here I'm really quite knowledgable at geography in general! Honestly, even as I was posting that, I was having a twinge of doubt about it. Oh well, the Ugly American strikes again. :-( I believe you about statehood, I didn't really think there was. I'm sure 99%+ of Canadians, like pretty much anybody regarding their country, love being Canadian rather than anything else. Displacedjim
 
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Ehran    RE:Quebec secession   7/3/2004 12:46:04 AM
no problem jim. i get cranky about running into so many americans who assume we are slavering for the chance to join the excited states.
 
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blacksmith    RE:Quebec secession   7/3/2004 1:49:44 AM
But is it really Canada without Quebec? The United States didn't take kindly to secession. The North just had to cure the South of its 'peculiar institution' and it became one country again. All you have to do is cure Quebec of it's frenchness and you're home free. Think of it like deprogramming a cult member.
 
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ilpars    Do Quebec have right of secession?   7/5/2004 8:42:17 AM
Please forgive my lack of knowledge. But do Quebec have a legal right of secession? Do American states have the right?
 
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chemist    RE:Do Quebec have right of secession?   7/5/2004 10:26:30 AM
Ilpars, Some states in the Union have the right to seceed while most don't. Texas comes to mind. There's actually some arguement amoungst hard core federalist types that Lincoln violated the constitution when he ordered the Civil War fought. Then there are territories like Guam and Peurto Rico that can vote themselves full sovreignity and to end ties to the US. So yeah, people can leave to some degree when they wish to.
 
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Roman    Economic Consequences?   7/5/2004 6:59:58 PM
Ehran - we (Slovaks) too were told that if Czechoslovakia breaks up, Slovaks who were allegedly being subsidized will suffer economically. Guess what? After the Czech Republic and Slovakia separated we had an economic boom with growth of 5%-6% per year - much higher than before. And bear in mind that we were smaller than Quebec in land area, in population and in the size and sophistication of the economy and we had to begin from scratch to build up our institutions even while transforming the economy away from socialism, while Quebec already has many of them in place in the form of provincial institutions and it does not need to transform its economy. I very much doubt that Quebec would suffer grave economic consequences if it became indebendent. That said, is the secession legal under Canadian law?
 
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chemist    RE:Economic Consequences?--Roman   7/6/2004 7:27:07 AM
Yes, they've held a refferendum on the subject(secession) at least once already(it was defeated). It was< I believe, in '98.
 
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Ehran    RE:Quebec secession   7/7/2004 12:44:57 AM
All you have to do is cure Quebec of it's frenchness and you're home free. Think of it like deprogramming a cult member there are some nice things about frenchness we kinda like and would miss. mind you television is doing wonders at unifying the cultures.
 
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Ehran    RE:Do Quebec have right of secession?   7/7/2004 12:50:01 AM
Please forgive my lack of knowledge. But do Quebec have a legal right of secession? cannot imagine why you would know this but legally quebec has no right to separate from canada. mind you if they ever manage to get the referendum to come out the way the separatists want i expect the federal gov't would discuss it. i also imagine that shortly after the discussions begin and the quebec people find out what separating would cost they would be pretty quick to give up the idea. right now they hold the balance of power in the canadian government and get treated rather well by the feds. this would change rather quickly if they were actually leaving. it's likely they would loose the northern 2/3 of the province as the natives there are unified in their horror of being citizens of an independant quebec. it would be an ugly horrible mess and that's if things went well.
 
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