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Subject: Muslim Thought Police Zero in on Columnist Mark Steyn
swhitebull    12/6/2007 11:01:54 AM
link Read the comments as well, worth the effort, and then move on to National Review, where Steyn is a regular columnist. swhitebull - like roaches, u can kill hundreds, but they still keep coming out in endless waves til they overwhelm you.
 
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Ehran       2/26/2008 2:39:38 PM
In terms of Freedom of Speech, does it matter?  NO ONE has a Constitutional right NOT to be offended. It's curious that liberals are SUPPORTING the suppression of free speech, Not Defending it.
 
you seem to be under the impression that your constitution has some standing here in canada.
the rules are somewhat different here whether you care for that or not.
if it makes you happier think of it as a concerted effort to get ezra to crawl back under his rock and stop annoying people.
assuming the human rights commissions are overstepping their authority i think canadian courts will correct that at some point.
 
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Hugo       2/26/2008 2:45:00 PM
Sorry Ehran you're way off here.  If you think it's appropriate for the government to grant itself authority at the taxpayer's expense to act to contravene the very essence of Canadian and Western Democracies core values, in the service of agents of fascism masquerading as religion, then the future of our freedoms are indeed in peril.

Mr Levant surely is acting cocky in the video but so would I and for that matter most people who believed their human rights were being abused by such a sham - that wasn't arrogance you were seeing - it was righteous outrage.  There are laws for a reason, we have a judicial system for a reason - and that is to prevent what we have been witness to here.

Mr Levant said it right when he summed this up as part Kafka and part Stalin.  I'm making a donation, if he'll accept Euros.

 
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swhitebull       2/26/2008 2:52:23 PM


In terms of Freedom of Speech, does it matter?  NO ONE has a Constitutional right NOT to be offended. It's curious that liberals are SUPPORTING the suppression of free speech, Not Defending it.

 

you seem to be under the impression that your constitution has some standing here in canada.

the rules are somewhat different here whether you care for that or not.

if it makes you happier think of it as a concerted effort to get ezra to crawl back under his rock and stop annoying people.

assuming the human rights commissions are overstepping their authority i think canadian courts will correct that at some point.



Nope -  not at all.  This is about the LONG and CHERISHED history of the principle of FREE SPEECH in the English-speaking countries, NOT about the US Constitution. Beckett, Thomas Payne and John Locke kinda come to mind, with Voltaire thrown in in deference to the French contribution. WE fought a war over it. THAT's what this is all about - a fight against quasi-governmental censorship and intimidation.  It's really sad that you back the government on this one. It doesnt matter what Levant says or intends - its ALL about his RIGHT as a free citizen to voice his thoughts - and damn any government or religion for trying to intimidate that.
 
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swhitebull       2/26/2008 6:13:30 PM
Free Speech vs. Muslim Sensibilities  
By Kathy Shaidle...
FrontPageMagazine.com | Tuesday, February 26, 2008

 

Ezra Levant didn?t know it, but when the conservative Canadian activist and lawyer published the now-notorious ?Muhammad cartoons? in his magazine, the Western Standard, in 2006, he launched a cultural counterinsurgency against political correctness and the creeping advance of Islamism in the Great White North.

 

 

In publishing the controversial drawings, which continue to spark riots in the Muslim world, Levant?s Western Standard became one of only two Canadian publications to do so. Not long afterwards, Canada's oldest newsweekly, Maclean's, printed an excerpt from the bestselling book America Alone, by their columnist Mark Steyn. The essay explored the implications of Europe's changing demographic profile. As Steyn saw it, below-replacement-level birthrates among native secular Europeans, combined with the high fertility rates of the continent's largely unassimilated Muslim immigrants, was creating a perfect storm on the continent.

This all proved too much for a couple of self-styled Muslim "community leaders," one of whom initially tried to have Levant arrested. Reminded by the Calgary police that they were no longer living in Saudi Arabia, the imam and his Ontario counterpart brought their respective grievances about Steyn and Levant to the closest thing Canada has to an Islamic sharia court: the Human Rights Commission.

Canada's Human Rights Commissions (CHRCs) were established in the 1970s to address case-by-case discrimination in areas such as housing and employment. Initially empowered to investigate legitimate violations, the Commissions and their tribunals soon began using their powers to silence citizens who declined to embrace the new vision of Canada being foisted upon them by then-Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau: multicultural and pacifist; blindly tolerant; anti-tradition, anti-family and anti-life.

So when a Catholic bishop sent out a pastoral letter explaining the Church's opposition to gay marriage, a gay activist filed a CHRC "discrimination" complaint. Similar complaints were filed against letters-to-the-editor and newspaper ads perceived to be "homophobic."

Sean Murphy of the Catholic Civil Rights League aptly summed up one notorious case, in which, "a Christian printer is ordered to produce business cards and letterhead for an organization that promotes pro-pedophilia essays, is fined $5,000 for having refused to do so and is left with $40,000 in legal bills for daring to defend himself."

And few Canadians cared. On the rare occasions that these cases made the news, the average citizen either sided with the complainants over "those old fashioned, bigoted Christians" or took the unmistakable hint and kept quiet.

Most Canadians don't realize that these Commissions and tribunals aren't "real" courts. They operate outside the criminal justice system in an Orwellian world of their own. To the CHRCs, traditional rules of evidence don't apply. Truth is no defense. Commissioners can confiscate a defendant's computer without a warrant. Defendants can be forced to apologize to their accusers, even though the Supreme Court of Canada has ruled that even convicted murderers cannot be obliged to apologize to their victim's family; that, the Court ruled, would be, "cruel and unusual punishment."

Incredibly, the CHRCs boast a Stalinist 100 percent conviction rate: no one has ever been found "not guilty." Columnist David Warren's chilling description of CHRC tribunals is impossible to improve upon:

"They are kangaroo courts, in which the defendant's right to due process is withdrawn. They reach judgments on the basis of no fixed law. Moreover, 'the process is the punishment' in these star chambers -- for simply by agreeing to hear a case, they tie up the defendant in bureaucracy and paperwork, and bleed him for the cost of lawyers, while the person who brings the complaint, however frivolous, stands to lose nothing. (...)

"That's why you go to an HRC: because your case is not good enough to stand up in a legitimate court of law. And because you don't want to invest your own time and money, but would rather the taxpayer provide officers to do the paperwork, and pick up the tab. Instead, you want

 
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historynut       2/27/2008 11:17:11 AM

i'd actually be perfectly fine with their being shot after having their due process rendered.

 

that's 3 we know of so far.  given the bush gov't behaviour so far it's far from impossible more names won't surface in the future.  this whole illegal combattant thing is just a crock far as i can see to fig leaf over torturing/vanishing people. 

AS for illegal combattant being a crock maybe you should check International Law. You can also check the actions of England, France, Italy etc. in the years 1950 to 2000. Said actions were a lot worse then anything the U.S. has done. Or are they allowed to get away with them because there are not the U.S. I would think it would be the same standards for everyone, correct me if I'm wrong.

 
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Ehran       2/27/2008 2:25:19 PM
100% conviction rate is too high and speaks rather poorly to the notion that you get a sporting chance.
 
i am surprised that ezra hasn't started filing complaints of his own against the past behaviour of his accuser.  declaring all israelis over 18 candidates for murder seems quite past fair comment though that might be better taken up with immigration authorities.
 
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Ehran       2/27/2008 2:28:31 PM
AS for illegal combattant being a crock maybe you should check International Law. You can also check the actions of England, France, Italy etc. in the years 1950 to 2000. Said actions were a lot worse then anything the U.S. has done. Or are they allowed to get away with them because there are not the U.S. I would think it would be the same standards for everyone, correct me if I'm wrong.


americans invariably claim to perch far up on the moral high ground which makes their failings particularly offensive.  so what did the italians do that was so offensive btw?

 
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swhitebull       2/27/2008 4:14:12 PM

100% conviction rate is too high and speaks rather poorly to the notion that you get a sporting chance.

 

i am surprised that ezra hasn't started filing complaints of his own against the past behaviour of his accuser.  declaring all israelis over 18 candidates for murder seems quite past fair comment though that might be better taken up with immigration authorities.


NO surprise at all - there's a difference between Free Speech, which Levant is advocating thus to complain over the words that you cite of his accuser is hypocritical - and defamation of character, which is a deliberate attempt to PERSONALLY injure thru falsehoods, distortions and lies.  Again, you should know better, Ehran. 
 
 
 
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Ehran       2/28/2008 12:44:13 PM
i've always considered it something of an art to beat the attacker with his own stick so to speak. 
 
i find it really difficult to sympathize with ezra no matter the nobility of the charge he claims to lead. 
 
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historynut       2/28/2008 1:26:55 PM

AS for illegal combattant being a crock maybe you should check International Law. You can also check the actions of England, France, Italy etc. in the years 1950 to 2000. Said actions were a lot worse then anything the U.S. has done. Or are they allowed to get away with them because there are not the U.S. I would think it would be the same standards for everyone, correct me if I'm wrong.



americans invariably claim to perch far up on the moral high ground which makes their failings particularly offensive.  so what did the italians do that was so offensive btw?



Returned terrorists to there countries knowing they would be questioned and killed. Disappeared a number of terrorists, they were picked up by Italian law enforcement and never seen again. You can ask Moslems groups and they will give you lists of people (Moslems) that disappeared. In the U.S. we take them to court and let them defend themselfs. Maybe the Italian way is better but I think you should let the guy try to prove he's not a bad guy before you lock him up. It's ok to point out when the U.S. does something wrong. But if you let other countries do the same thing and say nothing that is also wrong.

 
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