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Subject: Muslim Thought Police Zero in on Columnist Mark Steyn
swhitebull    12/6/2007 11:01:54 AM
link Read the comments as well, worth the effort, and then move on to National Review, where Steyn is a regular columnist. swhitebull - like roaches, u can kill hundreds, but they still keep coming out in endless waves til they overwhelm you.
 
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swhitebull    Along those lines...   12/19/2007 3:51:34 PM
Where is the Canadian press or women's rights groups in decrying the honor murder of a 16-year young lady, who refused to wear the hijab? Other than to make excuses, and say its a societal problem with NO blame for Islamic culture, the Canadian press has been completely SILENT:
 
 
Whitewashing MURDER:
 
 
 
 
 
 
swhitebull - that 2 Canadian Human Rights committees would actually take up the CIC's complaints against Steyn, which even if exonerated will cost him $$$$$, is outrageous, and any lover of free speech should be protesting loudly.
 
 
FREE SPEECH IS FREE SPEECH IS FREE SPEECH - there ARE no BUTS. And you, Ehran, should know that better than anyone else.
 
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eldnah       12/19/2007 5:21:17 PM
Ehran, "There you go again" in the words of the honored and sainted Ronald Reagan, you are conflating the deprivations of free speech in Canada with George W Bush! Do you secretly write editorials for the New York Times? Are you Frank Rich or perhaps Maureen Dowd? I didn't want to be sexist and be brought before a Human Right Tribunal. May I make a suggestion? Why not save yourself a lot of typing and just borrow from Marcus Portius Cato and end all your posts with Frutex delenda est?
 
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Ehran       12/20/2007 12:16:40 PM
the father has been charged with murder and a brother with obstruction of justice so far.  it's a sad case but the people involved are going to see a courtroom for their actions.  i don't see any reason for sensational headlines in it whitebull.
 
nor am i going to get up in arms about free speech being limited until i see some actual evidence of it happening.
 
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swhitebull       12/20/2007 12:36:38 PM

the father has been charged with murder and a brother with obstruction of justice so far.  it's a sad case but the people involved are going to see a courtroom for their actions.  i don't see any reason for sensational headlines in it whitebull.

 

nor am i going to get up in arms about free speech being limited until i see some actual evidence of it happening.



Just the IDEA that you can be hauled before a "Human Rights Commission" for something you worte or might write will have a chilling affect on the notion of free speech. Just as the idea of NOT printing a cartoon about Muhammad with exploding bomb, or political commentator Lawrence O'Donnell in the states ranting about Mormons, but scared to death about offending Muslims cause he might be killed has a chilling effect. It's called Self-Censorship, due to potential physical or financial harm from those who are perpetually outraged. THAT should scare you, and if you don't see the evidence that is all around you, you have blinders on, either willfully or not.
 
 
from Staney Kurtz, National Review:
 

Steyn's Accusers Speak   [Stanley Kurtz...]

Today, the Muslim law students who have lodged a human rights complaint against Maclean?s, have published an article defending themselves in Canada?s National Post. They claim to be believers in the marketplace of ideas, merely seeking a chance to respond to Mark Steyn. What they don?t say is that they have demanded the right to a cover story in Maclean?s, with full editorial control over content and art.

Imagine NR, after publishing, say, a cover story critical of Al Gore?s movie, being forced by a government body to allow Gore to write a cover story in rebuttal, with full editorial control. Imagine Gore running his legal case against NR for free, while NR is forced to shoulder court costs. And don?t forget that Canada?s Human Rights Commissions have the ability to compel apologies. Imagine NR?s editors being forced by a government body to apologize to Al Gore for refusing to give him control over their own magazine, or even for the content of one of their critical articles. Of course, the complainants against Maclean?s have nothing to say about these issues, all of which have been sharply raised by their so-called human rights case. Actually, Maclean?s already has published a rebuttal to Steyn by Canadian Muslims. It?s called "Mark Steyn has a right to be wrong."

Ali Eteraz disagrees with Steyn, but has defended his right to free speech in the Guardian. (I link to Eteraz?s Guardian piece, and respond to his assessment of Steyn here.) In the comments section of a post called "Will Canadian Muslims Drop Complaint Now?"  Eteraz responds to those who think they have some kind of enforceable right to be provided with a forum to respond to articles they don?t like. In this case, Ertaz is speaking, not to the Steyn complainants themselves, but to someone who supports their case:

With all due respect, this is the saddest and most pathetic thing I have ever heard.

"Please let us be heard?"

"Provide me a vehicle for debate?"

Is something wrong with you?

1 -Did you call Mark Steyn?s agent and try and set up a public debate? I bet he?d love a go; the right wing pundits do.

2 - Did you contact opposition publications to Macleans and publish stuff there? I bet they?d love a go to make Macleans look bad.

3 - Did you try and raise funds to start a new liberal

 
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Ehran       12/20/2007 12:39:09 PM
i don't care about george one way or the other i just consider him a dismal failure as a president and will do some heartfelt clapping to see his back in 2008.  he can go back to the ranch in texas and live to a ripe old age with my blessings.
 
i do really pity the next poor sob in the oval office who is going to have to deal with the godawful mess george stuck him with.
 
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YelliChink       12/20/2007 1:14:51 PM
What do Islamofascists, Nazis, Fascists and Commies all do? They all try very hard to subvert the institution of freedom by exploiting failure, weakness and tolerance of the institution that they seek to overthrow.
 
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Ehran       12/21/2007 11:50:54 AM
think i'll hold off on the proclamations of imminent doom etc until there are some decisions made by the tribunals on this.
there are no shortage of frivolous suits etc brought up in front of these tribunals so i don't consider the mere act of getting a hearing to be of any great consequence.
 
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Ehran       12/21/2007 11:51:24 AM
think i'll hold off on the proclamations of imminent doom etc until there are some decisions made by the tribunals on this.
there are no shortage of frivolous suits etc brought up in front of these tribunals so i don't consider the mere act of getting a hearing to be of any great consequence.
 
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swhitebull    Mark Steyn on Mark Steyn   12/22/2007 12:54:40 PM
1) If the Commissions had any common sense, they would have laughed at the charges, and dismissed them out of hand.
 
2)  Looks that this might have been a shakedown attempt by the CIC to demand print time and money:
 

The enforcers   [Mark Steyn...]

Re my chastisers at the Canadian Islamic Congress and their enablers at Canada's "Human Rights" Commissions, the great George Jonas weighs in...:

They wouldn't have complained to the Human Rights Commission about Mark Steyn writing in Maclean's that many Muslims are "hot for jihad," say Nasseem Mithoowani and three fellow complainants, had Maclean's agreed to publish a rejoinder "from a mutually acceptable source."

No, this wasn't an offer to invest in the magazine or to buy ad space, but an exercise in free press, Islamic-style. "If Maclean's wants to publish articles alleging that many Muslims are 'hot for jihad,' " explain Mithoowani & Co., "it has to provide an opportunity to respond."

Has to? Well, actually no, not in this hemisphere. At least, not yet.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

As Stanley noted, Ali Eteraz...'s comments section is one of the best places to go for some of the debate on this. Mr Eteraz regards me as an alarmist xenophobe racist buffoon but he's my new best friend because he takes the quaint view that my writing should not be ruled, de jure, a criminal act. This comment... by Tarek Fatah provides an interesting glimpse of what happens to moderate Muslims (such as the Muslim Canadian Congress) who dissent from the hard line:

What Daniel Simard does not disclose is the fact that her partners in this high-school adventure threatened the Muslim Canadian Congress with legal acation if it did not withdraw its support of Macleans magazine?s right to publish Steyn. 

Incidentally, the plaintive tone of the plaintiffs - "All We Want Is A Chance To Res..." - rang a little hollow to yours truly. When they came in to Maclean's for their meeting, they demanded money from the magazine for their "cause". Meanwhile, their anonymous cheerleaders at this Canadian law blog... suggest more than a financial shakedown may be required:

Steyn?s freedom is hardly at stake.

Yet.

Oooooooooh.
 
 
 
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swhitebull    HRC SMACKDOWN - by Publisher Ezra Levant   1/12/2008 10:22:52 PM
Fantastic!!!
 
 
www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28582_Outrage_of_the_Week-_Canadian_Publisher_Persecuted_for_Mindcrime&only
 
 
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