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Nanheyangrouchuan 11/23/2007 3:27:32 PM

Couldn't the cops shoot this guy in the thigh? Or just point a gun at him and point at the ground instead of electrocuting him?
Cop + drawn gun + pointing at ground = universal language.

thing is once a cop pulls out a gun there is really only one more escalation left to him. mounties are also taught that drawing a firearm is absolutely the last resort in a situation.

tasers have a very low mortality rate with the manufacturer saying there have been 0 cases where the ME tagged the taser as the cause of death or even a factor in the death. that's probably too optimistic but if you consider that the police routinely taser recruits as part of their training they cannot be too worried about thinning the ranks. cops have used tasers about 40000 times since they were introduced here and there is essentially zero expectation of death from the use of a taser.

femoral artery runs down the leg btw nan and if that's severed by a thigh shot it's not likely you'll live long enough to appreciate the cop's benign intention..

Would I be wrong in guessing those stats and past experiences were based on one or two tasers?

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bob the brit 11/23/2007 4:37:05 PM

Couldn't the cops shoot this guy in the thigh? Or just point a gun at him and point at the ground instead of electrocuting him?
Cop + drawn gun + pointing at ground = universal language.

thing is once a cop pulls out a gun there is really only one more escalation left to him. mounties are also taught that drawing a firearm is absolutely the last resort in a situation.

femoral artery runs down the leg btw nan and if that's severed by a thigh shot it's not likely you'll live long enough to appreciate the cop's benign intention..

Would I be wrong in guessing those stats and past experiences were based on one or two tasers?

'tis possible, but real use stats compliment the thesis that tasers are 99.9% [in a figure of speach manner, not factually numerically] less than lethal.

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FJV 11/23/2007 5:37:50 PM

If we want the police to deal with crime and we want the police to do this while causing the least amount of damage, then we should give the police the tools and training they need to succesfully do this. And we also need to hire people competent enough to effectively put the training and equipment into practice.

Instead what I see happening in the Netherlands is that money is skimped on such areas (whatever the reason). The result is that police officers are less well trained and have less options when dealing with crime. Police officers run faster out of options and have to use mace and tasers earlier than a better trained policeman would. Also skimping on wages makes it more likely you hire incompetent persons *1) that grabs mace or use a taser simply because it's more convenient.

I consider using mace or a taser also an escalation, these are only suitable for a limited number of situations. And you also need training to use these effectively. In some cases using tasers and mace actually makes stuff worse.

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Ehran 11/29/2007 2:24:34 PM

the poles have started an investigation into the airport debacle which brings the total to 9 now.

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