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Subject: Welcome to the torture club
Panther    10/29/2007 8:59:50 PM
link By David Ljunggren Mon Oct 29, 2:55 PM ET OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada brushed off allegations on Monday that Taliban members captured by Canadian troops and handed over to Afghan authorities had been tortured, saying the militants often made false claims of mistreatment. Canada's minority Conservative government, which ran into serious trouble when faced with similar accusations earlier in the year, signed a deal with Kabul in May allowing Canadian officials unlimited access to prisoners. Ottawa said the deal would combat torture. But the French-language daily La Presse said on Monday it had found three prisoners who alleged inmates had been beaten with bricks and cables, given electric shocks, deprived of sleep and had their nails torn out. "We do expect these kind of allegations from the Taliban. It is their standard operating procedure to engage in these kinds of accusations. I'd caution ... against taking them as the word of the truth," government minister Peter Van Loan told Parliament. Opposition politicians said there were serious doubts as to whether the May deal could protect prisoners. "We now have headlines in the paper that suggest Canada is facilitating a process of torture. This is extremely serious. It's also serious under international law," said Jack Layton, leader of the left-leaning New Democratic Party. Human rights experts, speaking earlier this year, said Canadian soldiers could be guilty of war crimes because they transferred the detainees at a time when Ottawa was aware that Afghan authorities regularly tortured prisoners. International conventions prohibit a country from handing over prisoners if there is reason to suspect abuse. The three suspected Taliban members said they had been captured by Canadian troops, given a document that said torture was no longer used in Afghanistan and then transferred to the Afghan secret police. "The people from the secret service tore it (the document) up and threw it in my face. They tortured me for 20 hours. I protested and said the Canadians had promised that nothing would happen to me," La Presse quoted one of the three men as saying. "They replied: 'We're not in Canada, we're at home. The Canadians are dogs!"' he said. La Presse said it had conducted the interviews in Sarpoza prison in the southern city of Kandahar, where Canada's 2,500-strong military mission is based.
 
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Ehran       11/15/2007 3:56:29 PM





you might want to contrast the canadian response to the air india bombing which was proportionately just as big a hit to us as 9/11 was you to with the american response to 9/11.



Are you suggesting that the Canadian response led to an end of terrorism?  Or curbed it in any significant way?




 


no barca i make no such claims.  all i'm doing is pointing out the differences in response between the usa and canada to similarly scaled acts of terror.  herald has decided to demonstrate his ability to think logically again by grossly misreading my reaction to that event and then extrapolating from a sample size of 1 the reaction of a country of 30 million. 
 
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Herald1234       11/15/2007 4:27:10 PM




One; you misrepresent what Rocky did. you owe him an apology.

ok refresh my memory about who it was posted the link leading to the british hauling supplies up the river in ww1?  the one with the specs for a couple of the paddlewheelers used and with the numbers of them built. 
Me actually.
I don't care about an apology from you. People I hold in utter disdain don't have to apologize to me for their misrepresntations. I prefer them to be honest prevaricators. It keeps the moral ground clear betweenn bthem and me.  

well in the event i do something to you worth apologizing for i'll seriously consider it.  if anyone is due an apology here it's me given your frequent ad hominem attacks.  guess if you have nothing of substance to say that's the best you can manage.
Nothing ad hominem. I told you you misrepresented the data and you lied. Its there in the record to read along with the refutations I supplied on point.. I even gave chapter and verse as well as source.. Its not me who proves my case asgainst you. its you.

Two; you rant on, which proves to me at least one Canadian was upset to the point of berserkness by that airliner incident.

How do I know the above is a rant?

keep your dayjob herald your ability to analyze me is nothing less than pathetic.  berserk for crying out loud was never my state of mind. 
I don't have to analyze you, Ehran. You do a fine job of matching neurotic symptomology all by yourself.
Doctor Janov....


You cite emotion and cherrypick little nitpicks ionstead of providing solid refutation. 

Example. The mudflat where Kermit Roosevelt took the picture is from shore to shore.

the picture does not show it running from shore to shore herald.  it shows a bar at the river's edge that's all.  for that matter if the river's so shallow where are the cattails and reeds?
How many cars in the picture Ehran? Let's test your memory for real. See if you actually know what you write.


By the way, another word for misrepresentaing evidence is lying.

Have a nice day, Ehran.

I know I will. I always like to start the day off with a laugh.

Herald 

 
 
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Ehran       11/16/2007 2:18:57 PM
it's been done herald.  the british did it with steam powered paddle boats.  that takes care of the is it possible pending your production of some evidence to the contrary.
 
none of the items you or rocky came up with were anything like showstoppers and some were just plain funny.
 
i am amenable enough to being wrong about this but so far i've not seen anything that convinces me i am. 
 
and herald why would i bother to lie?
 
 
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