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Subject: Canadian Military Funding
Ehran    10/22/2007 1:18:26 PM
it seems that Canada is now spending more on the military than it did in 52 when it was fighting in Korea and dealing with the cold war. 52 was is now the 2nd highest expenditure year since ww2 raged. that's indexed for inflation btw.
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       10/24/2007 2:10:42 PM

what i cannot figure out is the american insistance on the northwest passage being an international seaway.  it seems the benefit to us interests in having it be the property of an ally like canada would be self evident to even a dull laddy like george.


I think it has to do solely with oil and gas drilling by US companies and not any other reason.  As soon as a non US/Canadian company + BP wants to drill in the area, the White House will start singing "Oh Canada!".
 
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Herald1234       10/24/2007 2:43:46 PM

what i cannot figure out is the american insistance on the northwest passage being an international seaway.  it seems the benefit to us interests in having it be the property of an ally like canada would be self evident to even a dull laddy like george.


1. Right of free navigation always.
2. US right to kick the PRCs and Russians out of the Artic with or without Canadian assent.
3. Monroe Doctrine.

Herald

 
 
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Ehran       10/25/2007 3:39:31 PM




what i cannot figure out is the american insistance on the northwest passage being an international seaway.  it seems the benefit to us interests in having it be the property of an ally like canada would be self evident to even a dull laddy like george.




1. Right of free navigation always.
2. US right to kick the PRCs and Russians out of the Artic with or without Canadian assent.
3. Monroe Doctrine.

Herald

 



it's hardly likely canada is going to start restricting traffic through the passage civil or military.
if it's an international seaway herald your "right" to kick anyone out of it is stillborn.  if it's canadian property then people can be booted out of it.
 
how would the monroe doctrine apply here?  thought that was about keeping europeans from popping up new colonies in the americas.
 
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Ehran       10/25/2007 3:43:25 PM

I think it has to do solely with oil and gas drilling by US companies and not any other reason.  As soon as a non US/Canadian company + BP wants to drill in the area, the White House will start singing "Oh Canada!".

with the arctic ice vanishing faster than even the most pessemistic models predicted this is going to open up a huge can of worms.  the islands though go almost all the way to the pole north of canada which gives us a rather good claim on that part of the world barring quibbles with denmark over where exactly the border with greenland actually is.  it is kinda funny to watch the new enthusiasm for the law of the sea convention in the congress and senate though now there's big money at stake.
 
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Griffin       10/25/2007 6:08:42 PM
Republished with permission, here is another critic of the Staples-Robinson crowd.
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Does Canada Overspend on its Military?

J.L. Granatstein

Does Canada spend enough on the Canadian Forces? Military leaders and pro-defence lobby groups, along with academics and some parliamentarians, for years have said that Canadian governments have shortchanged defence. They point to the numbers: only 63,000 regulars, down from 120,000 at the peak of the Cold War, and a defence budget that is only 1.2 percent of Gross Domestic Product compared to the 2.2 percent that is the NATO average. Even with the defence budget increases pledged by the Martin Liberals and endorsed and expanded by the present Conservative government, Canada has a long way to go to have a well-manned, well-equipped military.

Or does it? On October 22, the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives released a report, More than the Cold War: Canada?s Military Spending 2007-08. Written by Stephen Staples, a critic of the Canadian Forces for years, and Bill Robinson, the report argues that Canada is now spending more on defence in inflation-adjusted dollars than it has done at any time since the peak of the Cold War. The only time Canada spent more, the authors say, was during the Second World War. And Staples and Robinson go on, spending as a percentage of GDP is a poor indicator. Using GDP percentage, Robinson points out, Turkey would be near the top of NATO spenders, but ?No one really thinks that Turkey is making one of the greatest contributions to NATO. What really counts in defence spending is the amount of dollars actually being spent and in that area Canada is up there,? standing sixth in NATO.

This argument is nonsense. During the height of the Cold War, Canada spent more than seven percent of Gross Domestic Product on defence. The armed forces were tripled in size in a few years, vast quantities of equipment—ships, aircraft, tanks--were purchased, and Canada deployed troops to fight in the Korean War and to take up defensive positions against a feared Soviet attack in Western Europe.

The sense of urgency to rearm was real, and the best indicator of that was the money spent—and the fact that the government was prepared to devote such a high percentage of GDP to the task. Dollars mattered, of course, but the GDP percentage was the key indicator of urgency.

It still is today. The nation is in the early stages of re-building the Canadian Forces. Expensive equipment is being ordered, and large sums are being allocated to fight the Afghan War. But these dollar figures, however large they are when compared to those from the 1950s, are coming from a much bigger government budget in a much richer nation. Using percentage of Gross Domestic Product in fact is the best measure of assessing the seriousness of Canadian efforts. GDP has the virtue of calculating the productivity of a nation and it is a useful comparative device. The Americans spend an estimated 3.8 percent of their huge GDP on defence, and that $500+ billion dollars is an indication of their priorities—and wealth.

Another indicator is defence spending per capita. The Yanks pay $1756 each for defence, Britons $990, Germans $447, Italians $514—and Canadians only $414. The Australians, for example, each pay 50 percent more than we do.

The Turks, sneered at by Robinson and Staples, spend very close to the Canadian per capita sum, but that amounts to 3 percent of their GDP, a high figure in NATO terms. Why do the Turks have nearly a million men, regulars and reserves, in their military? Why do they spend as much as they do? Bill Robinson ventures no judgments, perhaps because that might oblige him to look at Turkey?s str

 
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