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Subject: Iranian missile boats and Ashm threat
Herc the Merc    12/26/2005 3:59:52 PM
At least 40 Hudong class chinese boats with 80, C-802 missiles, Bushehr class.
 
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Yimmy    RE:Iranian missile boats and Ashm threat   12/26/2005 11:16:42 PM
Darn... we may run low on Sea Skua... :D
 
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fitz    RE:Iranian missile boats and Ashm threat   12/27/2005 6:28:09 PM
As the battle of the Bubiyan Channel proved, this isn't much of a threat. The USN already has experience sinking Iranian FAC-M - it was about as difficult as clubbing a baby seal.
 
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Carl S    RE:Iranian missile boats and Ashm threat   12/27/2005 10:11:47 PM
Clubling seals is tough to do with all those Greenpeace pukes yelling at you and shoving cameras around.
 
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TheArmchairCmd    RE:Iranian missile boats and Ashm threat   12/27/2005 10:17:02 PM
<Darn... we may run low on Sea Skua... - Yimmy If Lynx is to be replaced by Merlin, RN may be running low of platforms to launch them from.
 
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Yimmy    RE:Iranian missile boats and Ashm threat   12/27/2005 10:22:29 PM
Merlin can't fire Sea Skua?
 
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TheArmchairCmd    RE:Iranian missile boats and Ashm threat   12/27/2005 10:39:34 PM
Not AFAIK.
 
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Jack Tarr    RE:Iranian missile boats and Ashm threat   12/28/2005 5:51:06 AM
As I understand it, Merlin is replacing Seaking, not Lynx. Did the USN get many Iraqi FAC's during GW1? I thought most of these were taken out by Lynx/Sea Skua, but will happy to be corrected.
 
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Carl S    RE:Iranian missile boats and Ashm threat   12/28/2005 7:28:06 AM
Jack..I'm thinking you are correct, or closer to the truth. The USN did sink several Iranian ships/boats during the "Oil Tanker War" in the 1980s. Which sometimes gets mixed up with the Kuwati war.
 
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Jack Tarr    RE:Iranian missile boats and Ashm threat   12/28/2005 7:49:52 AM
Carl S - "The USN did sink several Iranian ships/boats during the "Oil Tanker War" in the 1980s." Do you have any info on how the USN sank these Iranian Boats? (Seahawk with Penguin/Hellfire perhaps?)
 
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MadRat    RE:The USN did sink several Iranian ships/boats   12/28/2005 9:08:37 AM
Gunfire and Maverick missiles.
 
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Jack Tarr    RE:The USN did sink several Iranian ships/boats   12/28/2005 9:18:10 AM
MadRat - "Gunfire and Maverick missiles." So this was from fixed wing aircraft? (Carrier based?)
 
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Galrahn    RE:Iranian missile boats and Ashm threat   12/28/2005 9:49:27 AM
"Do you have any info on how the USN sank these Iranian Boats? (Seahawk with Penguin/Hellfire perhaps?)" Ya it was called Operation Praying Mantis An A-6E from VA-95 dropped a cluster bomb several speedboats, sinking one and damaging several. The USS Wainwright was attacked by the Iranian Combattante II Kaman-class fast attack craft Joshan with a Harpoon ASM. The USS Wainwright and USS Simpson fired back with four Harpoon missiles, while the USS Bagley responded by firing one Harpoon. After taking hits, the Joshen was eventually sunk by all 3 ships using 5" and 76mm gunfire. 2 A-6Es launched 2 Harpoons and 4 Skipper bombs against the Iranian frigate Sahand, the USS Joseph Strauss also fired a Harpoon and sank the frigate. The operation took out 2 oil platforms, 6 speedboats, 1 fast attack boat, and 1 frigate. The US had 2 casualties, as a Cobra went down while flying reconnaissance. After the Operation the Cobra was raised from under the Gulf and both bodies were recovered. There was no battledamage, but considering it went down 15 miles from Abu Musa Island, it was speculated it crashed while evading Iranian gunfire.
 
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Jack Tarr    RE:Iranian missile boats and Ashm threat   12/28/2005 9:56:55 AM
Thanks Galrahn, very interesting. But Jeez, FIVE Harpoon plus Gunfire to sink 1 Combattante II ?!!! (and I was worried about 1 Harpoon or Exocet being overkill for a FAC!)
 
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TheArmchairCmd    RE:Iranian missile boats and Ashm threat - Jack Tarr   12/28/2005 10:04:38 AM
As I understand it, Merlin is replacing Seaking, not Lynx. You're right. I was sorta unconsciously expecting the Merlin to replace the Lynx when they start to retire in 2009 and because no specific replacement has been selected yet. "Mr. Han: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what plans he has to ensure Royal Navy (a) frigates and (b) destroyers are equipped with embarked helicopters prior to the in-service date for the surface combatant maritime rotacraft; and if he will make a statement. [201631] Mr. Ingram: The Royal Navy frigates and destroyers will continue to be equipped as necessary with Lynx Mk3/8 or Merlin Mk1 as embarked helicopters until a replacement for the Lynx Mk3/8 is delivered under our future helicopter programme." link "Mr. Gray: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if the Merlin helicopter will be fitted with the Sea Shire 8 Jan 2002 : Column: 562W missile; what other anti-ship capability it will have; and what anti-ship capability (a) Type 23 frigates and (b) Type 45 destroyers will have. [24024] Dr. Moonie: I assume the hon. Member refers to the Sea Skua missile, currently fitted to the Royal Navy's Lynx helicopter. There are no plans to fit the Sea Skua to the Merlin helicopter. The helicopter has a state of the art, integrated mission system, and an extensive array of on-board sensors. These not only give Merlin an independent capability to search for, locate and attack submarine targets, but can also be used to detect ships and provide targeting information for attack by other units. The Type 23 frigate's anti-ship capability is provided by the Harpoon anti-ship missile, the Sea Skua missile fitted to its Lynx helicopter, the 4.5" Mk8 gun, and twin 30mm guns. It is planned that the Type 45 destroyer's anti-ship capability will be provided by the Sea Skua missile, fitted to its Lynx helicopter, together with the ship's medium range gunnery system, the 4.5" Mk8 Mod 1 gun and twin 30mm guns. The Type 45 is being designed to facilitate the incremental incorporation of additional capabilities, and as such allows for the fitting of a surface to surface guided missile, should the requirement for one be demonstrated." link
 
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