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Subject: The China Syndrome & the British Navy
human7    7/10/2004 10:00:29 AM
If China launches an invasion of Taiwan, the United States would most certainly react. (This whole notion of ambiguity is American PR.) The question is would the United Kingdom would the stand idly by or would they help to repel the Chinks?
 
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The Lizard King    RE:China and Iraq incomparable - reefdiver   3/24/2006 2:36:50 PM
"Always thought Nixon should have instead worked on India" American has been courting India for many decades. Only know is the seeds germinating. "Always thought it was a mistake when Nixon opened up trade with China as I figured someday they would want to rule the world" America has always been about opening new markets. Eventually when China gets too expensive, America will create South/Latin America Inc and/or Africa Inc.
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan    RE:China and Iraq incomparable - reefdiver   3/24/2006 5:00:02 PM
"Always thought Nixon should have instead worked on India, which would probably be the the most likely beneficiary for mega-expansion if China were to today be snubbed." I think at that time India was aligned with Russia and instead of trying to woo and buy them onto our side we just gave them the old "red scare" treatment. China was experiencing the cultural revolution and singing "the east is red" but they were opposed to Russia (somewhat). I think corporations pushed for china, which had a much larger population.
 
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Nichevo    RE:The China Syndrome & the British Navy   3/25/2006 10:17:43 PM
The proper term of course, is Chicoms ;>
 
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Nichevo    RE:The China Syndrome & the British Navy - Lanton   3/25/2006 11:26:34 PM
Impercipient foreigner, you do not know Americans. When we take casualties in that manner, we react one of two ways. Either we draw in our horns, or we get really mad and double down on our bets. I assume this attack on the US CBG is OOTB, or are we standing in to bombard say Canton or Hainan when whammo, our stupid American Americanness leads us to mishandle some threat in a way, no doubt, that European maturity and wisdom would have averted. No, we don't know wht to do with supersonic incoming missiles, it's a good thing the Soviet Navy never figured that out. Come on, man! Let me put it this way: what is the British, French or other European answer to high-speed AShM? I know: it's let China, Iran, whoever, just have their way. Too hard. Well, I think I know what Nelson would have had to say about that. No, really, you have your ASTER (our monsieurs friends are never shy to advertise) and I suppose your Starstreak or whatever. Plus no doubt other innovations such as airstrikes and the services of those commando jollies you're so justly proud of. Or does the next containerized launcher smuggled into Londonistan give your subject-subsized mullah friends control of the nation? I am just amazed that after all this time of having kind, well-informed people like EW3 to explain to you how these things are done, that you yet persist in thinking that first world navies run around with their hands in the air exclaiming "Help! What shall we do?" when faced with Sunburns, Shipwrecks, captor mines, air swarms and other wonderful ship-killing devices ad nauseum. Properly alter and ROE'd, I should think them to sleep sound in bed (off-watch). But by all means, spread your legs panting in the dirt like Tenth Class back passage whores, let them revenge themselves on you for all the stuff that went on in those Clavell novels. I'm sure they'd get tired of skull-f---ing your corpses eventually. Various nations of the type we are dealing with everywhere have these neuroses, that they are owed something and have the right to take it out of another's hide in the most strangely bestial ways. The alternative of slapping some sense into them, so effective in the past, has strangely fallen out of fashion. Look at the pattern of your own Opium Wars. What is to stop RN/USN/JSDF from bombarding Beijing anytime they like? Who's to stop them? There would have to be context, and reason, let us pass over that. If there's something you want in the Strait of Hormuz or the Strait of Taiwan, is that not a mission we've trained to and equipped for? If not, please tell the IRS I want a refund.
 
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barrow       1/29/2008 1:31:45 PM
i will put my hands up and say the british navy is not what it was. but they are getting 6 new 45 type destroyers, 3 astute class subs the best new subs made yet, 2 new aircraft carrier,s hms prince of wales and hms queen elizabeth witch can both stand toe 2 toe with anythink that is out there even the usn aircraft carrier's, 2 go with them are a hole load of f35 lightning 2 jets, and a load of new jup jets. and i know that the RN is not back were she was once but now she is on here way back
 
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paul1970       1/30/2008 5:15:16 AM

i will put my hands up and say the british navy is not what it was. but they are getting 6 new 45 type destroyers, 3 astute class subs the best new subs made yet, 2 new aircraft carrier,s hms prince of wales and hms queen elizabeth witch can both stand toe 2 toe with anythink that is out there even the usn aircraft carrier's, 2 go with them are a hole load of f35 lightning 2 jets, and a load of new jup jets. and i know that the RN is not back were she was once but now she is on here way back


you think those carriers can stand toe to toe up against the US carriers?????? on what basis do you say this?
and your spellings worse than mine...  :-)
 
Paul
 
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historynut       1/30/2008 10:51:12 AM

But the bulk of Europe would not defend Taiwan. Taiwan is a democracy. But the mainland has more money. Socialism and liberalism are the politics of spoiled children. Europe is only interested in democracy for itself. Europe loves to critisize everything the US does as being done for "moneyed interests", but Europe will sit back and condemn the US for supporting Taiwan so they [Europe] can win points with the mainland so as to improve their trading position. Blair supported the War in Iraq. The bulk of the British people did not. I would not bet on seeing too many British troops anywhere in the future.
A large amount of the money in China is from loans from Taiwan. Also a large amount of the debt of countries in Europe is via loans from Taiwan. If Taiwan was to call in Frances loans what could France do. France does not have the money to pay off all it's loans at one time so Taiwan banks (located outside Taiwan) could make France money worthless in a very short time. A little hard to pay for something when your money is worthless. Interesting if Taiwan goes under so does most of the counties in Europe. 

 
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commie       1/30/2008 12:06:33 PM
 
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commie       1/30/2008 12:07:43 PM
 
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Herald12345    Chest thumping bandit?   1/30/2008 12:39:13 PM


Or US telling you that we know what you feebly attempt and that if you try, you DIE?

You can put any spin on that garbage you like.

OTG is not exactly at either end of the spectrum is it, bandit?

Herald
 
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